[slowtrek]

So basically, we know China is never going to pay the publishers/content creators (never). If we hold our principles to OpenAI (pay who you took from), they will go bankrupt. So of course they are speaking in end-game language. To suggest the race is lost even before it starts is an incredible thing.

How is it that we can theorize that the model would get better with more data, but we can't theorize that the business model would need to get bigger (pay the content creators) to train the model? Shoot first and ask questions later (or rather, BEG later).

[whatthedangit]

You know, there's a creative third way which the US could approach if it had the cajones.

Allow OpenAI and other AI companies to use all data for training, but require that they pay it forward by charging royalties on profits beyond X amount of profit, where X is a number high enough to imply true AGI was reached.

The royalties could go into a fund that would be paid out like social security payments for every American starting when they were 18 years old. Companies could likewise request a one time deferred payment or something like that.

It's having your cake and eating it. Also helping ease some tensions around job loss.

Sadly, what we'll likely get is a bunch of tech leaders stumbling into wild riches, hoarding it, and then having it taken from them by force after they become complacent and drunk on power without the necessary understanding of human nature or history to see why they've brought it on themselves.

[Mountain_Skies]

There are many possibilities. Perhaps they're allowed to use anything publicly accessible but have to release their model every x amount of time, which might be a month or a year. My biggest fear is that as happened with copyright's limited term, this limited term would get chipped away at over the years.

Another would be that they couldn't sell access to customers directly but rather must license it out to various entities at rates set by regulators. Those entities then would compete with each other for end customers. This of course might be prone to regulatory capture like happens with utilities.

[slowtrek]

Not to be funny on purpose, but we are having discussions in America currently on if we should finance aid for poverty and the like. I love your idea though.

[re-thc]

> So basically, we know China is never going to pay the publishers/content creators (never)

Who is we? How do you know? Never is a strong word.

> If we hold our principles to OpenAI (pay who you took from), they will go bankrupt.

i.e. their business wasn't feasible to begin with? Sounds fine? What's wrong with them being bankrupt (if needed).

[addandsubtract]

OpenAI has become "too big to fail". They obviously can't face any meaningful repercussions, as that goes against the established form of capitalism in the US. Instead, they have to find creative ways to allow (or at least not sentence) OpenAI to any wrongdoing. Shareholders über alles.