Next DOGE will defund gasoline in police cars and applaud their "trillions of savings" over the next 1,000 years.
I feel bad for anyone that is spending their lives on forums defending these puffed up hall monitors who were sent in to "fuck shit up" and will eventually end up in jail as scapegoats.
To be clear the United States Institute for Peace is not a federal agency. It's a non-profit buisness with an EIN 52-1503251 and a W9 like every other non-profit. DOGE seized a private business. If they can seize USIP they can seize your start up. There's no legal difference. Here's their 990 form:
https://filing-service.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/scanned-pd...
So, the government funds them, the President issued an order to dismantle them, and now another government agency wants the building? That last part seems reasonable.
Whether dismantling them is right or wrong seems to be the real question here.
Both are wrong. The "real question" just isn't about this specific case on its own. In a vacuum, this wouldn't really be news in the first place.
The problem is the pattern that this is an example of, and together with all the other cases, it starts to reveal an image of the USA turning into a cleptocracy.
Click bait headlines allowed on here now? It clearly states they are giving it to the GSA which is the government - where the funds originally came from. Can't hand these people money without them complaining ..
The US government was intentionally split into 3 parts. This "Institute of Peace" was established and funded by the US Congress. The Executive should be pursuing the intent of the legislation. In general they've been failing to faithfully execute the law.
I'd be totally fine with Congress cancelling the whole thing, but it hasn't happened.
It is not an executive building, and they have not claim to it. They will take credit for the cost savings, hence "gift".
This is not clickbait and can't be overstated, there is no precedent for this sort of action in recent history in the US. Your normalcy bias is the problem.
No, nothing vaguely critical of the current administration is allowed here now. Astonishing really, I didn't think it would happen on HN of all places.
US is never going to go insolvent as long as dollar is the world's main currency and as long as US has the strongest army in the world.
USAID was not causing US to go insolvent, it was promoting US soft power in the world. Soft power saves money, for relevant cases it's cheaper than deploying troops.
Sort of irrelevant, right? Even if it was all grift, nothing is being saved if those resources are just stolen.
> I fear they will not reach the trillion etc they need in savings to stop the US going insolvent
Trump’s draft budget blows the deficit by $4 trillion to fund tax cuts for wealthy people. (I’d see my taxes go down under his plan, for what it’s worth. My mom, a bank teller, would not.)
Every time DOGE reports were checked, they contained glaring massive mistakes ... which is still giving them massive benefit of doubt as it is equally likely they just lied.
So, no. No scary waste, squandering or laundering was found by them. However, they themselves are breaking the law, lying and trying to defraud.
A global organisation helping people in countries where Americans aren't really popular? Literally the perfect way of getting agents a legitimate reason to be in the country.
Honestly? Probably not, no. He could convince some loser investor to lend him the money because he's Elon fucking Musk, but I wouldn't assume he has even that much money just lying around.
That being said, an office building or two he could probably fund by just selling some other assets, but he wouldn't have gotten this rich with an attitude of using his own money to buy things for himself.
lubujackson|11 months ago
I feel bad for anyone that is spending their lives on forums defending these puffed up hall monitors who were sent in to "fuck shit up" and will eventually end up in jail as scapegoats.
josefritzishere|11 months ago
ck2|11 months ago
They are in full spite mode.
Will take DECADES to rebuild and that may be the point.
spiderfarmer|11 months ago
actionfromafar|11 months ago
_ea1k|11 months ago
Whether dismantling them is right or wrong seems to be the real question here.
DarkWiiPlayer|11 months ago
The problem is the pattern that this is an example of, and together with all the other cases, it starts to reveal an image of the USA turning into a cleptocracy.
blatantly|11 months ago
They invaded the premises.
zoezoezoezoe|11 months ago
rich_sasha|11 months ago
actionfromafar|11 months ago
blatantly|11 months ago
SignalM|11 months ago
axus|11 months ago
I'd be totally fine with Congress cancelling the whole thing, but it hasn't happened.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/4604
throwaway5752|11 months ago
This is not clickbait and can't be overstated, there is no precedent for this sort of action in recent history in the US. Your normalcy bias is the problem.
nineplay|11 months ago
insane_dreamer|11 months ago
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JohnFen|11 months ago
DOGE reports are too unreliable to be worth paying attention to.
cynicalsecurity|11 months ago
USAID was not causing US to go insolvent, it was promoting US soft power in the world. Soft power saves money, for relevant cases it's cheaper than deploying troops.
cholantesh|11 months ago
Fixed.
JumpCrisscross|11 months ago
Sort of irrelevant, right? Even if it was all grift, nothing is being saved if those resources are just stolen.
> I fear they will not reach the trillion etc they need in savings to stop the US going insolvent
Trump’s draft budget blows the deficit by $4 trillion to fund tax cuts for wealthy people. (I’d see my taxes go down under his plan, for what it’s worth. My mom, a bank teller, would not.)
watwut|11 months ago
So, no. No scary waste, squandering or laundering was found by them. However, they themselves are breaking the law, lying and trying to defraud.
theshrike79|11 months ago
A global organisation helping people in countries where Americans aren't really popular? Literally the perfect way of getting agents a legitimate reason to be in the country.
AvAn12|11 months ago
DarkWiiPlayer|11 months ago
That being said, an office building or two he could probably fund by just selling some other assets, but he wouldn't have gotten this rich with an attitude of using his own money to buy things for himself.