[hottakesbun]

> I won't go so far as to claim that we are in a Manchurian Candidate scenario, but I also cannot exclude that possibility.

You probably know this already, but you don't need to. The relevant question is not "Is the president working on behalf of America's adversaries?"; rather it is "If he was, what would he be doing differently?"

[jfengel]

While I sympathize with the idea, an actual traitor could be doing even more harm. An actual traitor, for example, would have just flat-out canceled everything we're sending to Ukraine, and demanded everything we've given back.

As bad as this is (and it's very, very bad), it could be even worse.

[treetalker]

Unless not wreaking more immediate harm (or taking certain actions, like the one described) enables the wreaking of more harm over time, or taking further actions that result in a superior future strategic advantage or accomplishment that outweighs the former. (One possibility among others, no doubt.)

[verzali]

Um, that sounds pretty much like what trump actually did.