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ernestipark | 11 months ago

You create embryos, which are distinctly uniquely a human, then destroy the ones you don't want. It's eugenics, just at an earlier stage of human development.

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bondarchuk|11 months ago

I can respect that viewpoint, however it amounts to saying eugenics is about as bad as doing lots of very early abortions, or just having more miscarriages (currently 10 to 20% of natural pregnancies). Politically I don't think this line of argument would be effective at all, especially outside USA.

jtbayly|11 months ago

Yes, abortion also ends a human life. However, bringing up miscarriage is bizarre as a justification for feeling ok with it.

It’s the difference between a man dying of old age in his sleep vs putting a gun to his head in his sleep because he is old. As to percentages, 100% of people die eventually. Just because people die every day doesn't mean it’s ok for us to kill them.

ninkendo|11 months ago

In your view, is IVF eugenics?

numpad0|11 months ago

IMO people are overthinking it: murders, eugenics, racism, genocides, cannibalism are bad because we almost subconsciously know that it threatens our own survival. Butchering and devouring non-primate animals, even sentient, are totally okay and good because that's how we are built to live and it's good for our stable long term prosperity.

I wouldn't be sure if it really matter whether embryos can suffer or if they deserve full human rights with right to a legal representative. To me the photos of them look like cells under microscopes, frankly. But our instincts do alert us that doing this could kill us all somehow, and for that reasons we hallucinate such moral arguments. Isn't that so?