top | item 43636974

It's all fun and games until somebody loses their retirement savings

35 points| mooreds | 11 months ago |businesslawprofessors.com | reply

39 comments

order
[+] SoftTalker|11 months ago|reply
If you don't know what you're doing stick to index funds, buy and hold.
[+] SketchySeaBeast|11 months ago|reply
And as you get closer to retirement start moving them into more fixed income. I don't know if the same options are available in the states, but in Canada Vanguard, Blackrock and others offer broad market index funds that have risk profiles that you can move through as you get close to retirement, allowing you to slowly pull out of equities and move into bonds. You shouldn't be 2 years from retirement and still 100% into equities.
[+] baq|11 months ago|reply
Index funds doing 12pp round trips in a week are not normal, that’s what bitcoin does.

This time the why of it - basically whims of a single man - is especially scary.

[+] nradov|11 months ago|reply
If you don't know what you're doing then stick to target date funds which automatically rebalance the asset mix to reduce risk as you approach retirement age. The fees might be slightly higher than index funds but on most retirement plans the extra cost is minuscule.
[+] jihadjihad|11 months ago|reply
Dollar cost averaging on a well-diversified portfolio and chive on.
[+] -jeffB|11 months ago|reply
Corollary: if you're confident you can outperform index funds, you almost certainly don't know what you're doing.
[+] sitzkrieg|11 months ago|reply
i rather enjoy making lots of money from those who do not know what theyre doing in this realm
[+] gleenn|11 months ago|reply
As sane of a suggestion that is, SPY index fund dropped a huge amount because the whole market dove. Not everyone can plan on suddenly missing 20% of their savings.
[+] vlucas|11 months ago|reply
This is why Target Date Retirement funds exist.

Just plow your 401(k) into Fidelity Freedom Fund 2055 (or whenever your retirement year is - they have many options) and forget about it.

https://www.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/fidelity-fund-portfoli...

They are mostly equities and riskier investments early on, then auto-adjust to lower risk dividend stocks and treasuries when you are closer to the target fund date to support pulling out money every month to live on.

[+] quaffapint|11 months ago|reply
They also tend to have higher fees and a smaller return than managing it yourself with index funds and bonds. But for people that don't want to do that it is a good option none the less.
[+] sitzkrieg|11 months ago|reply
target date funds exist only to keep brokers in business
[+] gedy|11 months ago|reply
Truly private companies I respect their choice, but this just feels off that companies "stay private" yet you can wheel and deal in shares or similar with them, and they raise capital, etc.

This is what the stock market is for.. yet it now feels like that's just what you do to cash out and dump the business on the rest of the market.

[+] josefritzishere|11 months ago|reply
General advice, index funds are the place to start unless you have special expertise. But as you get older you need to move into increasingly conservative investments. When you are 80 you will not live long enough to recover your losses from a market crash... so money markets, CDs, bonds, etc.
[+] ghaff|11 months ago|reply
In general, for a given especially senior age, it also depends on your portfolio. If 4% or whatever inflation-adjusted amour puts you in good stead, you probably shouldn’t be betting more than a modest amount on significantly higher returns.
[+] magicreadu|11 months ago|reply
It’s a full decoupling of number 1 and number 2 economies in the world - of course it’s messy. If you can’t stomach the turbulence, stay in safe instruments
[+] cassepipe|11 months ago|reply
But genuine question : Is it necessary and for what goal ?
[+] instagib|11 months ago|reply
This seems more like an advertisement for their podcast.

200K income or 1M in assets minus your primary residence to be in this conversation about SPV.

[+] hnburnsy|11 months ago|reply
Exactly no one invests 100% of their retirement savings in SPVs.
[+] palmotea|11 months ago|reply
> Exactly no one invests 100% of their retirement savings in SPVs.

Eh. There's probably at least one stupidly overconfident individual who does so, and more who put too large a fraction into stuff like that.

[+] jmclnx|11 months ago|reply
Based upon Retirement savings rate in the US, I am sure many people decided retiring while Trump is in office is a non-starter now.

But I am sure a lot of people are being forced or will be forced to retire and maybe get a part-time "Mc-Job".

[+] readthenotes1|11 months ago|reply
People who retired based on their stock holding when the S&p was at a p/e nearing 30 were wildly optimistic
[+] vlucas|11 months ago|reply
Heck, even Trump himself got a job at McDonald's!
[+] FpUser|11 months ago|reply
Yet another site using invisible font. Somebody has to pull their head out of their ass and get a grip on basic ergonomics