[neerd]

I’m not the only one who gets a chill down their spine when they hear this, right?

I hate to invoke Godwin's law on the very first comment on a post, but the industrialization of deportations seems to have alarming parallels to the mass murder Jews and other minority groups in 1930’s and 40’s Europe. I read “Ordinary Men” by Christopher Browning a couple months ago and the thing that stuck out to me is that when the Nazi’s started killing people, they didn’t immediately jump to death camps. The initial steps of the holocaust began as a “deportation” scheme and it was a continual ramping up of the scale of murder.

They initially claimed they were going to deport these people to Madagascar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

I’m not American so I may be missing some nuance here, but this seems a little terrifying to me.

[pseudalopex]

> I hate to invoke Godwin's law on the very first comment on a post, but the industrialization of deportations seems to have alarming parallels to the mass murder Jews and other minority groups in 1930’s and 40’s Europe.

You have Godwin's permission.[1]

[1] https://archive.is/1x5OZ

[atoav]

Godwins law does not apply when the people you're talking about are literal Nazis. I count people into that who say they adore Hitler and do Nazi salutes on stages.

Maybe not enough people have made the experience that (A) people following a genoicidal ideology still exist and (B) they try their best to wear the sheeps fur of populism while they try to get into power.

I grew up in an Austrian province with one of my grandfathers in the Wehrmacht, Nazis are weak idiots that always look elsewhere when there is a problem instead of fixing it at home. With 14 I met my first neo-nazis that were admiring their Nazi-grandfathers. All incredibly insecure people, who thought a violent ideology was the only way how they could make their environment perceive them as powerful and manly.

I said in the beginning of Trumps first presidential campaign that the guy is a fascist and got swamped with criticism, of how I could know that. I know that, because I grew up with the type that would love him and under the devastating governance of one Jörg Haider, one of the first "Neue Rechte" poltical heads in Europe. He famously had ties to the likes of Gaddafi before be died in self-inflicted car accident with two bottles of vodka in him.

Trump is still a fascist only this time he is also surrounded by fascists. Needless to say, historically that form of despotic governance didn't really last and lead to the worst atrocities in human history.

[asmor]

We're finally getting an answer to "how could such a thing happen". The answer is pretty simple: We think of history distinctly different than current events, ourselves as more enlightened and of our peers as more capable of calling it. And besides, it'd be really inconvenient if we actually had fascism, so why not ignore it until it's on the news or something.

[ggm]

S/need/absent legal process we'd, that is some of us, would like/

It's a debate, right? I get the current ruling party believes it has a mandate, but could you at least acknowledge a plurality of views on this?

I argue there is no need. Its fictive, performative. These are productive people.

Even the drug gangs are simply doing what citizens also do.

[__d]

Pew says there were 11m undocumented immigrants in 2022.

That’s some way from 10’s of millions — does your figure include other groups as well?