[throwing_away]

It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews".

The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

[ath3nd]

> I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like?

- hostility towards non traditional sexuality

- immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems

- strong feeling of national exceptionalism

- assault on women's productivity rights

- politicizing of science

- deportation for political reasons

- "Roman" salutes

It brings parallels with some things happening in Europe some time ago.

> activist groups are coming for all of American life.

I wonder who's actually going for all of American life though. Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

And guess who goes against this American way of life value? An orange grandpa married to an immigrant. You really can't make this up.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir...

[throwing_away]

> Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like?

Up until you got to the "Roman" salutes, it sounded like both sides in the US.

Or rather, it will sound like whichever side you aren't. That's the point.

But using "Then they came for the Jews" when you're discussing deportation of these particular people is perhaps a new level of absurdity in the discourse.

[brandonmenc]

> Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you?

Birthright citizenship was to ensure freed slaves could not be denied citizenship.

It's served its purpose and we can repeal it and join the vast majority of nations that don't have this pathway.

[mmooss]

It's not at all equivalent.

> The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

What is American life? Why can't people criticize whatever they want - that is American life.

> "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews"

The vast majority of antisemitism is on the right. The administration does nothing about it (and supports and legitimizes much of it).

Also, the Jews will be next. By attacking critics of Judaism, they are entrapping Jewish people (and others) in legitimzing this oppression, and in making themselves into targets of hate. Then when the white supremecists turn on them, and say Jews are conspiring to control American, what will these Jewish supporters of arrests, oppression, and deportations say?

[subscribed]

But Zionism is not Judaism.

Most of the pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist content I see is denouncing Israeli war crimes and genocide. No one is bashing Jews because of their ethnicity or religion.

Also a lot of this comes from the Jews (who are then attacked for being confused or..... antisemitic)

We're not at the point of people hunting Jews because they're Jews. We are at the point when opposing targeting/killing medics, press, children or hospitals may result in being kidnapped from the street and either locked up without charges or trafficked to the torture camp.

I do not disagree with your comment in general, I disagree with you putting "Judaism" while the almost all the critique and rebuke is aimed at the Israeli war crimes or the Zionist supremacy ideology.

[aprilthird2021]

> The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

American life is defined by the acceptance of dissent and the encouragement of even distasteful free speech. If that's not American, what even is American?

[KingMob]

Horseshoe theory is one of those idiotic centrist oversimplifications that pretends extremist differences don't matter.

It's like watching the rebels and the Empire shoot at each other, and saying "There's no difference, because they're both violent."