This is huge. The 20-30 minute charge is very clearly a bottleneck, despite owners saying its a good opportunity to go into Target and do some shopping.
When I got my car I had to drive it 1500 miles back to my home and did it alone. I would stop when the tank needed filling. I got maybe 450 miles per tank, so maybe every 6-7 hours or so. That's 10 minutes per 6 hours, which is (10/6 / 20/3 =) 1/4th the overhead you're describing. So I'm agreeing with OC: when it's just me, 20 minutes every 2 hours starts becoming a bit much.
We just rented one with an ICE, because they only have mild-hybrids.
We need a 15-20min rest after every ~2h (~120miles) anyway.
I cannot refuel unattended, thus the 500+ miles of range are nice, but I would be more than happy to reload a BEV at every stop.
120miles of extra range should be doable, even in just 15min.
Considering we could start with at least 80% battery charge, we wouldn't need the full 120miles extra at every stop.
I don't see the problem even with small batteries (58kW netto) and the charging rate (e.g. ID3 above 100kWh @ 10-80%). It's only a problem if chargers aren't well maintained, or stupid ICE drivers block a station out of malice (and yes: mainly the same sickheads that are responsible for the current economic debacle).
SideburnsOfDoom|10 months ago
Never mind "target" shopping, for 2 people to each stetch legs and use the restroom in turn, is already 10 minutes.
Get another bottle of water at the attached convenience store, and you're close to the 20 minute mark.
And if small children were also involved, then well...
If you stop every 2 hours, you don't need the full 20 minutes to fully charge anyway.
20 mins is about where you equal the other, human time constraints. i.e. no longer the bottleneck.
Neywiny|10 months ago
doubled112|10 months ago
That was in a 2002. What huge quality of life improvements we’ve made…
Zigurd|10 months ago
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GuestFAUniverse|10 months ago
We just rented one with an ICE, because they only have mild-hybrids.
We need a 15-20min rest after every ~2h (~120miles) anyway.
I cannot refuel unattended, thus the 500+ miles of range are nice, but I would be more than happy to reload a BEV at every stop. 120miles of extra range should be doable, even in just 15min. Considering we could start with at least 80% battery charge, we wouldn't need the full 120miles extra at every stop.
I don't see the problem even with small batteries (58kW netto) and the charging rate (e.g. ID3 above 100kWh @ 10-80%). It's only a problem if chargers aren't well maintained, or stupid ICE drivers block a station out of malice (and yes: mainly the same sickheads that are responsible for the current economic debacle).