[disentanglement]

> However, "macros" are a disaster to debug in every language that they appear.

I have only used proper macros in Common Lisp, but at least there they are developed and debugged just like any other function. You call `macroexpand` in the repl to see the output of the macro and if there's an error you automatically get thrown in the same debugger that you use to debug other functions.

[bsder]

So, for debugging, we're already in the REPL--which means an interactive environment and the very significant amount of overhead baggage that goes with that (heap allocation, garbage collection, tty, interactive prompt, overhead of macroexpand, etc.).

At the very least, that places you outside the boundary of a lot of the types of system programming that languages like C, C++, Rust, and Zig are meant to do.