[Longwelwind]

> Berulis found that on March 3 one of the DOGE accounts created an opaque, virtual environment known as a “container,” which can be used to build and run programs or scripts without revealing its activities to the rest of the world. Berulis said the container caught his attention because he polled his colleagues and found none of them had ever used containers within the NLRB network.

This feels funny to read, for some reasons.

[honeybadger1]

it's written in a way to sound nefarious but is more an admission of technical ignorance

[qwertox]

Not at all: it says DOGE appears to have created a container in a place where containers were never created by NLRB. Tell THAT to someone who doesn't know what Docker is, and it is less informative.

Where's the technical ignorance?

[Maxious]

From the email shown in the photo, it seems like DOGE was trying to build and run a docker container using Integuru (YC W24) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41983409 to scrape the system

[lima]

Editorialized by the reporter, not the original report.

[zo1]

It's just docker containers. As a technical person I was confused reading that at least 3 times until I made the mental connection that it's docker containers. So yes you are right it's made to sound more opaque and nefarious than one would normally assume in our field. If they have a policy that says we can't run docker containers in network A or zone B then just say so but don't lie to make it sound like Russia Hackers. That's the kind of shit that makes fence sitters and reasonable people across the isle not trust your motives.

Anywho, this whole "opaque" or "untrusted" code running in a VM is the same lingo that big corporates use to gatekeep newer technologies that bypass traditional processes. E.g. "oh sorry you can't test locally because you need to use our officially licensed and expensive Oracle DB instance. Oh and BTW, you can't use the free container image that Oracle provides free of charge. It's running 'untrusted' code in our network." and endless variations of that.

[footlose_3815]

No it’s malicious

They intentionally turned off logging. Only attackers and criminals do that.