[isusmelj]

As someone in Europe, I sometimes wonder what’s worse: letting US companies use my data to target ads, or handing it to Chinese companies where I have no clue what’s being done with it. With one I at least get an open source model. The other is a big black box.

[credit_guy]

Both are bad. If Europe does not develop local alternatives to ChatGpt or DeepSeek, it will (slowly) lose its sovereingty.

[ryoshoe]

Europe is developing local alternative models such as Mistral

[fragmede]

They're not open source. It's nice of Meta and Deepseek to offer up their models for download, but that doesn't make them open source.

[chvid]

Hard to be fully open source if you train on copyrighted material.

Anyway. Deepseek is the most open of the sota models.

[anonym29]

Isn't this a bit of semantic lawyering? Open model weights are not the same as open source in a literal sense, but I'd go so far as to suggest that open model weights fulfill much of the intent / "soul" of the open source movement. Would you disagree with that notion?

[MoonGhost]

> With one I at least get an open source model. The other is a big black box.

It doesn't matter much as in both cases provider has access to you ins and outs. The only question is if you trust company operating the model. (yes, you can run local model, but it's not that capable)

[mrkramer]

US is capitalistic liberal democracy and China is one party capitalistic dictatorship. Make your choice.

[PartiallyTyped]

The US tends towards dictatorship; due process is an afterthought, people disappearing off the streets, citizens getting arrested at the border for nothing, tourists getting deported over minute issues such as an iffy hotel booking, and that's just off the top of my head from the last 2 days.

[mr90210]

You make it seem so binary. If you do enough research on the US you might change your mind. YES, I would still choose the US.