[tycho-newman]

Altruism, trust, and cooperation often emerge from acts and choices that seem completely self-interested.

Heck, cooperation is a survival strategy that came out of evolution. It exists outside of humans. It doesn’t need to come from human intent.

It feels weird to me that people think they can intelligently design cooperative societies and groups. You can try, but there’s always going to be trade offs between individuals and the group.

In this moment, individuals are in a place where they can avoid many of those trade offs and costs. I think this is generally positive considering my own experience of costly kinship groups. But I can see why others disagree.

[heresie-dabord]

> In this moment, individuals are in a place where they can avoid many of those trade offs and costs.

This sounds like what some call the Libertarian Housecat position. "My needs are met, and I am unaware of complex externalities that make meeting my needs possible."

[tycho-newman]

Indeed. For me, being aware of those complexities is what gives me hope that there’s a new emerging paradigm.