[drilbo]

>You probably want to replace Llama with Qwen in there. And Gemma is not even close.

Have you tried the latest, gemma3? I've been pretty impressed with it. Altho I do agree that qwen3 quickly overshadowed it, it seems too soon to dismiss it altogether. EG, the 3~4b and smaller versions of gemma seem to freak out way less frequently than similar param size qwen versions, tho I haven't been able to rule out quant and other factors in this just yet.

It's very difficult to fault anyone for not keeping up with the latest SOTA in this space. The fact we have several options that anyone can serviceably run, even on mobile, is just incredible.

Anyway, i agree that Mistral is worth keeping an eye on. They played a huge part in pushing the other players toward open weights and proving smaller models can have a place at the table. While I personally can't get that excited about a closed model, it's definitely nice to see they haven't tapped out.

[omneity]

It's probably subjective to your own use, but for me Gemma3 is not particularly usable (i.e. not competitive or delivering a particular value for me to make use of it).

Qwen 2.5 14B blows Gemma 27B out of the water for my use. Qwen 2.5 3B is also very competitive. The 3 series is even more interesting with the 0.6B model actually useful for basic tasks and not just a curiosity.

Where I find Qwen relatively lackluster is its complete lack of personality.