I backed their 25" monitor and never received it, despite emailing support bi-weekly for months. Highly recommend staying as far away from them as possible.
Is it this[1] campaign? Some people indeed report problems, at the same time others write about receiving their product and being happy with it. YMMV I guess.
Dasung manufactures in china and Mexico. So from china that $700 becomes, what? $1500? But from Mexico? What’s the tariff with Mexico today, May 9, 2025, 9:28 gmt-6?
Due to "tariff engineering" it can be shipped to the U.S. via Mexico for no additional tariffs.
In a nutshell, this would involve shipping any products manufactured in China to the Mexican facility for "remanufacturing."
Very risky in normal times, but since DOGE fired a bunch of Customs employees and cut their budget, Customs doesn't have the manpower to police tariff violations like this (which requires detail reviewing the history of every item) so it's effectively a de minimis risk tactic. Ironic, given that the President's budget is dependent on enforcing tariffs...
They do claim "a revolutionary leap in E-ink monitor refresh speed" and very specifically "37Hz". It seems plausible to me that this is a genuine technical advance.
Maybe a good time to ask the crowd: Is there any tablet sized, lightweight ereader for reading textbooks? Ideally without crazy vendor lock in? Deciding between the Boox (but there are a dizzying number of options) or Kindle Scribe. Or maybe I should just use an iPad?
What is not fine is that they actively violate the GPL [1], use outdated and vulnerable Android and kernel versions, and send loads of telemetry to some Chinese servers [2].
I use a Boox Tab Mini C. If you're in the Android ecosystem, it's amazing. KOReader is the best app you can use once you learn how to set it up (it takes a minute). I have both the Palma and the Tab Mini C. I use the Palma for reading lighter books and the Tab Mini C for textbooks.
I also have a larger Android tablet for more colorful books though. I'd recommend getting the largest Boox tablet you can comfortably afford/hold. And one with their older stylus. The new ones are moving away from Wacom I think.
I really liked my boox. Its basically just a android tablet with eink and good pen support and decent builtin apps. Its phoning home to china tough, but thar can be bøocked.
The color is effectively an extra sticker and some software. All that's different between the screens is a color filter is added as layer during manufacture. With the software changes it knows which pixels to make white or black when combined with the filter to make the desired color.
There are a bunch of tradeoffs with this method. Contrast is worse because of the color layer, color has lower DPI too.
If this monitor really uses the Kaleido 3 display as speculated in the article, the color would be very mute and it would only be suitable for reading Manga or magazines.
From what I can tell, the Kaleido display uses a filter on top of a black/white display to show different colors. That's why they can do 300ppi on black/white content, but only 150ppi on color content.
The Kindle Colorsoft uses the Kaleido screen, and it's the worst rated Kindle product on Amazon for a reason.
For high PPI color e-ink display, the only option today is the Gallery (https://www.eink.com/brand/detail/Gallery), and the only product that I know of is the reMarkable Paper Pro (reMarkable call it Canvas color play) which costs ~$600.
I struggle to understand what the target market is for products like this.
I can't imagine a legitimate market for (in my opinion gimmicky) colour e-readers, and I believe this would be a horrific experience as a daily-use monitor.
Is this intended for some form of advertising or marketing?
I've started to noticed these hardware products in the $500-$1000 that don't really solve any problems. See the $500 digital album art frame that sold out and I do not think ever shipped. Or the Orchid synth which is a $600 musical toy with an amazing amount of included modules and bugs. Patreon and Discord support channels filled with issues and help requests, being met with radio silence or asking for patience or "an update is just wrapping up", all while just feeding the social networks more 5 second clips of people playing an arpeggiated chord and announcing a second drop.
I would love to be able to comfortably use my laptop in outdoor conditions. (Or indoors but in a sun-lit area.) This is one of the ways to achieve that. I'd even replace my laptop's screen with an e-ink display if I had that option.
If you can use a regular monitor with mental hassle they're probably isn't a good reason to consider a product like this. There is some niche appeal to general tech hobbyists who find it cool, and also to the minimalist-yet-buys-expensive-stuff-regularly crowd. Perhaps there are also some use cases like writing a book where it can provide a wonderful experience.
On the other hand a portion of the population has an absolutely horrible time using backlit monitors. Simply put, they will tolerate just about anything to have a usable alternative that doesn't cause migraines and eye strain. I'm getting there, and I can confirm it's a ridiculous experience. Completely destroyed my workflow, to the point where I was very seriously considering digging up my old t60p ThinkPad from over a decade ago because it had a special LCD panel that looked like paper.
Let's assume refresh rate and color quality can get "good enough" to where it can work for daily work stuff, excluding gaming or graphic design. Then I see a strong argument for eink. I think we're all damaging our eyes staring at LEDs all day.
I'd have thought that the big win market for an e-ink display is smart phones. The biggest problem with smartphones is the battery; an e-ink display should be much lower battery consumption than a screen. Plus, they're often used outside, where e-ink can (ahem) shine.
A quick google turns up a few e-ink phones, but none of them seem really mainstream. Is there something I'm missing that makes e-ink sub-optimal for phones? (Thickness, perhaps?)
An e-ink phone could mostly be used for utility (and great utility!), but not for entertainment. And the cost/benefit for e-ink phones on offer is not there yet.
I just pre-ordered a Bigme 13-inch color e-ink monitor with a 30Hz refresh rate. At $499, it's much cheaper than the Dasung, though the quality and e-ink display algorithms might not be as good
been burned before by preorders so i'm always a little cautious with new hardware drops like this- you think most of these niche screens will actually catch on, or is it just hype for early adopters?
Not sure about this model, but there 25.3 inch screens are not compatible with mac. Really ungood for me. Would consider buying other non mac but dont feel lile making that move right now.
Are you talking about the macOS flicker issue on eink? I've heard it was fixed by the Stillcolor app, and there's a video of it fixing the eink flicker issue here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siufMXZ4tN8&t=17s
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[1]: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-253-the-first-2...
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In a nutshell, this would involve shipping any products manufactured in China to the Mexican facility for "remanufacturing."
Very risky in normal times, but since DOGE fired a bunch of Customs employees and cut their budget, Customs doesn't have the manpower to police tariff violations like this (which requires detail reviewing the history of every item) so it's effectively a de minimis risk tactic. Ironic, given that the President's budget is dependent on enforcing tariffs...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERbTXVbSuEc
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What is not fine is that they actively violate the GPL [1], use outdated and vulnerable Android and kernel versions, and send loads of telemetry to some Chinese servers [2].
If you do end up going this route, consider not giving it internet access or securing it in other ways. You may also want to consult this guide: https://gist.github.com/fardjad/97baf36de97d1c4ae3953b3d359b...
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_usin...
[2] https://github.com/JordanEJ/Onyx-Boox-Blocklist
[+] [-] stonecharioteer|10 months ago|reply
I also have a larger Android tablet for more colorful books though. I'd recommend getting the largest Boox tablet you can comfortably afford/hold. And one with their older stylus. The new ones are moving away from Wacom I think.
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So only $70 more for color? I find that surprising unless there are some massive differences like DPI or longevity or something.
[+] [-] goosedragons|10 months ago|reply
There are a bunch of tradeoffs with this method. Contrast is worse because of the color layer, color has lower DPI too.
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From what I can tell, the Kaleido display uses a filter on top of a black/white display to show different colors. That's why they can do 300ppi on black/white content, but only 150ppi on color content.
The Kindle Colorsoft uses the Kaleido screen, and it's the worst rated Kindle product on Amazon for a reason.
For high PPI color e-ink display, the only option today is the Gallery (https://www.eink.com/brand/detail/Gallery), and the only product that I know of is the reMarkable Paper Pro (reMarkable call it Canvas color play) which costs ~$600.
[+] [-] zeeveener|10 months ago|reply
I can't imagine a legitimate market for (in my opinion gimmicky) colour e-readers, and I believe this would be a horrific experience as a daily-use monitor.
Is this intended for some form of advertising or marketing?
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On the other hand a portion of the population has an absolutely horrible time using backlit monitors. Simply put, they will tolerate just about anything to have a usable alternative that doesn't cause migraines and eye strain. I'm getting there, and I can confirm it's a ridiculous experience. Completely destroyed my workflow, to the point where I was very seriously considering digging up my old t60p ThinkPad from over a decade ago because it had a special LCD panel that looked like paper.
[+] [-] carlosjobim|10 months ago|reply
Our entire civilization has been built to shield office workers in concrete caves so that they can see their screens comfortably.
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Persistent displays.
Daylighting.
Those who prefer illuminated rather than emissive displays.
[+] [-] jfengel|10 months ago|reply
A quick google turns up a few e-ink phones, but none of them seem really mainstream. Is there something I'm missing that makes e-ink sub-optimal for phones? (Thickness, perhaps?)
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I wonder if this kind of display would be good for making super light weight portables.
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Leaving a color screen on a set page seems like the real use case. Signs, often idle museum UIs, etc?
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On the other hand, BigMe is selling an identical monitor and they explicitly state that they support Mac.
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