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0thgen | 9 months ago

Isn't "work or starve" just a fact of nature? In what system do people not have to work to survive? (aside from a system where robots do all the labor)

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jampekka|9 months ago

Work for others owning the means of production or starve is not a fact of nature.

0thgen|9 months ago

In what type of society do I not have to do that? Even if I live in a society where everything is collectively owned, I’m still forced to work for the collective (of which I have one share among the population, essentially giving me about as much control as a “vote”)

vjerancrnjak|9 months ago

I meant "consenting" to a wage contract when the other option is to starve.

Many social democracies almost provide an option where you don't have to participate in capitalism with universal healthcare, government welfare etc.

0thgen|9 months ago

I think the fact that people can pick and choose which contracts to engage in, can back out at any time, and in many cases if you live in a rich country, opt out altogether. Even if there are "pressures" (either socially induced or biological) to work in some form, "consent" seems like a perfectly reasonable word to describe modern conditions.

Like, do we really, truly believe the current world is no different from the feudal past? Is that not hasty reductionism?