If you're not willing to engage with what they have to say charitably, maybe you should just leave it. Their comment is plainly relevant to yours, and "shutting down conversation" is not at all a good faith interpretation. It is a huge weakness in your argument that you say people should leave jobs that aren't stimulating to them, when we live in a world where people have to work to survive and frequently cannot make decisions on that basis.Imagine for a moment you are talking to someone who works a minimum wage job at McDonald's to provide for their children. How do you imagine they would respond to your suggestion they abandon their responsibility to their children to find a more mentally stimulating job? How would that be anything but patently absurd?
carlosjobim|9 months ago
Did I say that? Also, there's a career ladder at McDonalds open for all their employees. Apart from this, the skills you learn at McDonalds is transferable to other occupations in the same sector or other sectors. I should know, I worked those kind of jobs, much worse than McDonalds. So it's quite easy for me to imagine what that's like.
I'm not going to entertain the idea that somebody is locked into their current occupation for life, unless they are a literal slave. My suggestions and advice has no benefit for people who are enslaved, but does that mean that the ideas cannot be discussed at all? Does your comment have any benefit for somebody in that situation? Maybe we should never discuss exercise and health because some people have medical conditions? We shouldn't discuss diet and cooking because some people have allergies, and so on.
Most of us need to work to survive, so let's make the best of it. I also need to sleep to survive, and I do my best to enjoy it. The same with eating etc.
The replies to my initial comment demonstrates the spiritual divide. Just by me stating that i love working, people here get the wildest assumptions into their head, because they cannot imagine anybody enjoying work by and for itself.
pirgidb|9 months ago
Yes, you kinda did say that. You said people should leave their jobs if they weren't stimulating, and when someone pointed out this was lacking in nuance, you waved it off completely. Now you're dismissing anyone who is in that situation, oh they're just a slave, of course my remarks don't apply to slaves.
So yeah, you are refusing to acknowledge the flaws in your argument or the reality of people who don't have the privilege to prioritize their own enrichment over other responsibilities. And I'm not very impressed with that.
> Does that mean that the ideas cannot be discussed at all?
Just because someone challenges your ideas doesn't mean they're trying to shut you out of the conversation. I'm engaging in conversation with you. I wouldn't respond, and certainly wouldn't respond with questions, if I just wanted you to stop talking. Again, this is not a good faith interpretation of my criticism.
bradly|9 months ago
I think agree with you in spirit but maybe from a slightly different perspective. I see people divided between whether they spend the time they have control over consuming vs creating (content, art, whatever) more-so than their “work” but work is a pretty loose term.
I enjoy working on things. I enjoy pulling the weeds in my garden and I enjoy the sanding of my woodworking pieces. There is no morality in those individual tasks to me and I like a nice healthy garden and beautiful furniture.
Also, I’ve yet to have a salaried job where I wanted less three day weekends.
You are right that these topics are hard to talk about.