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calsy | 9 months ago

People had to tolerate your existence when your parents decided to bring you into this world. Why not show the same courtesy?

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dspillett|9 months ago

It isn't about tolerance for the kids. I have no objection to them being around¹, I don't begrudge my taxes going into education and relevant parts of the NHS for them.

My issue is the assumption, amongst many of those with kids, that everything should be optimised for people with kids, and anything that isn't is wrong. Because why would you want to optimise anything for other conditions in some cases?

>Why not show the same courtesy?

There is courtesy, and there is being expected to accept suboptimal things for myself so that everything can be optimal for other peoples' choices.

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[1] except perhaps the particularly uncontrolled ones, and I acknowledge that is sometimes unavoidable

calsy|9 months ago

So many weird assumptions here.

How exactly is everything optimised with families in mind? Ask any parent and I'm sure they will tell you how unoptimised their life is.

Why does a single person with their own expendable income worry so much about being catered for specifically? Your only responsibility is to yourself. Do you look around and bemoan family specific services? It's such an odd thing to care about unless you had a grudge.

Kids aren't a 'lifestyle choice' like deciding to travel. Do I need to go into the reasons why kids are important or who will be paying to keep you alive when your older?