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mighmi | 9 months ago

I guess the ussr originally were vibrant and full of innovation but especially the 30s purges killed it off.

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Calwestjobs|9 months ago

Social change was global. It had different local outcomes.

1918 was end of 2WW, most of Europe went from monarchy to democracy, except Russia which went from monarchy to autocracy. This change had orders of magnitude less victims in west.

1917 - 1990 soviets killed more of their own fellow citizens than Hitler did kill any citizen. so if soviets / current Russian establishment says Nazis were bad, then logically they have to say that they were bigger monsters themselves.

And if we talking about 6 million people dead in Holocaust, than current Russian establishment killed 1/6 of that amount in current war ON Ukraine. Just think about that perverse disaster currently happening and we live like it does not matter...

A lot of Russian capital from selling natural gas to Europe went to US.... most of NY diamond district is about Russian money. at least 30 % of Israelis are descendants of Russians. These thing mean nothing to anyone.

EDIT: 1918 was end of 1WW of course...

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Also, Germany was prohibited to have army by The Treaty of Versailles 1919.

1922 - Rapallo treaty was treaty between Germany and Russia. where Germany build factories on Russian soil with assistance of bolsheviks. they were building tanks, airplanes, chemical weapons (Shikhany / Tomka ),... so Russia was solely responsible that Germany had weapons with which they started 2ww

and Germany was solely responsible that Russia had copied weapon designs and had manufacturing capability to be in position to sign 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and attack western Europe TOGETHER with Nazi Germany. small pause in realations after NSDAP won is just that PAUSE.

Russians say that 2WW started 1942 because that is year when Germany attacked Germany allied Russia.

For western Europe 2WW started at 1939 when Germany AND Russia attacked Polland.

For Chinese 2WW started 1937 when japan invaded china.

chemical weapons kind of relations with fascist Italy were nonstop.

jiggawatts|9 months ago

Don’t confuse “casualties” with “deaths”!

The Ukraine war has had nowhere near one million dead. More like a couple of hundred thousand at most.