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bernb | 9 months ago

I don't think most Palestinians want the war. Most of them just want to love their lives just as most people in the world do. When people voted for Hamas back then, they specifically didn't wanted what Hamas did afterwards. At least I have seen polls that strongly indicate that. People were angry back then that there wasn't enough progress on the matter.

Leadership is a different matter. Hamas is a terror organization, they achieve their goals by means of terror and that's what defined them. So they of course want terror. Don't know much about Fatah, but they seem to be much more interested in political solutions.

Israel gives them a hard time though as they keep demonstrating that they want to replace the Arab population in the westbank with Jewish settlers.

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spwa4|9 months ago

... and given the choice between war and 1000 usd/month/person help, or no war, but, let's say 250 usd/month/person in help, and the rest has to come from a job (and if you want 750 that will be a job in Israel, likely working for Jews, for less, let's say half, than Israeli make).

Not the "war or peace, with no further consequences" fake choice people like to pretend exists?

The Israel-Palestine conflict always was a proxy war. Maybe less so on Israel's side, but always on the muslim/Arab side, even before it started. Peace would mean support from the proxies stops and Israeli and Palestinians would have to care for themselves. Aid would drop to the level anyone else gets (which isn't even 1/4th of what they currently officially get, more like 1/20th, and probably even less if you count unofficial "aid")

Given that choice, the real choice, war or desperate poverty, what do Palestinians want? Frankly, if we look at history, I'd argue it historically took a lot less than what is bound to happen in Palestine to get people to start a war. For example, the French revolution was preceded and at least partly caused by a tax increase of 16%. This would be an effective 75% to 90% tax increase.

Oh and to add insult to injury, of course, stopping the war would mean economic disaster on the Palestinian side, but it would ALSO mean an immediate economic boom like nothing before on the Israeli side. Palestinians would be forced into desperate poverty ... and Israeli may see their wages double at the same time, for the same reason.

This conflict cannot end with this level of aid provided to the Palestinian side. It just can't.