[kochb]

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university.

> In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

[goatlover]

I don't get how DHS has control over what universities foreign students can attend. Either than can attend school in the US or not. Saying they have to transfer from Harvard to another American university is total abuse of power. Surely there are lawsuits in the works over this.

[throwaway219450]

The F/J exhange visa is tied to a specific sponsor (ie the University) for a very specific goal. There are a lot of restrictions on what you can and can't do. If your visa sponsor has its privilege revoked then presumably you have a choice to transfer to a different institute, if one will take you, or leave the country.

There is a mechanism for that transfer built into the visa, which could be used for example if your professor moved institutions and wanted to re-hire you to fulfil the original goals of your exchange program.

It's unclear if this affects all foreign academic staff, many of whom who would be on the J, or just the F visa.

Edit: apparently all exhange visas.

[GuinansEyebrows]

i'd guess this kind of thing (per-institutional authorization to allow international students) was intended to provide the government a way to revoke that right from "sham" institutions (wonder if Trump University ever had international students?) or ones that otherwise were obviously trying to facilitate students skirting or abusing immigration law.

not that i agree with that anyways (citizenship is stupid, borders are stupid, countries are stupid blah blah blah) but it's pretty clear we're currently dealing with a regime that's willing to use ambiguous regulations in malicious ways (no comment on previous regimes, they're all bad, don't call me a HN Democrat or whatever).

[fnordpiglet]

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego.

This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to haunt him, and America on top of all the other stuff America is doing to the world.

America first is rapidly becoming America alone.

[fnordpiglet]

Here’s a case in point - future queen of Belgium kicked out of college by the president of the United States:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5316202-future-queen-...

[kbigdelysh]

You're very wrong if you think harvard accepts children of dictators and monarchies for its graduate programs. It's near impossible to get into those program except if you are a genius (exceptionally high GPA and GRE grades, published valuable scientific papers in prestigious journals). Just check the graduate student's directory to see what I mean.

[anigbrowl]

children of the most powerful families across the world

I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

[epolanski]

He's 78 and at the end of his political career in few years, he could care less.

[ihsw]

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[bamboozled]

Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard

When you frame it like this... it doesn't sound like such a loss. But yeah, it's not the only way to frame it.

[kristopolous]

Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade.

I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

[neumann]

They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

[0x5f3759df-i]

They’d probably try to be more subtle about it.

[Aeolun]

I think the problem is that half of the country (has been made to) wants to sabotage itself. Therefore, they elect and keep in power someone that gives them exactly what they want.

[ttctciyf]

> seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Less obvious corruption.

[moralestapia]

Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet.

[bko]

Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts.

So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly exceptional student, that's one thing. But I don't think that's happening.

[ceejayoz]

A judge has already blocked the move.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr...

> A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

[yandie]

I don't think this decision can force the Department of State to issue new visas for Havard students unfortunately. At least existing students *might* be alright...

[semiquaver]

This is not the same issue. Judges can be fast, but not that fast. Both the decision and this action against Harvard happened within an hour of eachother.

[kristjansson]

I believe they've taken a different tactic here - attacking Harvard's ability to enroll international students, not the students' status directly.

[brazzy]

What judges say doesn't matter anymore to this administration. They'll just implement it anyway.

[klipt]

The house republicans have passed a bill that in effect lets Trump override the courts: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-hidden-provision-in-t...

[mousethatroared]

Nationwide injunctions are going the way of the dodo

[mperham]

It doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?

[FooBarBizBazz]

Why do students need to be inside the US in order for Harvard to issue them a degree? Surely there is an international network -- collaborators abroad who could host students, etc, etc. For example , Harvard already has an infrastructure of exchange programs. It's not ideal for the students, but I don't see why they can't continue to "be Harvard students" from anywhere.

Hopefully, though, this is an "escalate to deescalate" thing, and this whole discussion will become moot.

[instagib]

Or gain legal status another way. Marriage, business, lottery, another college, etc.