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It really sucks that this is such a poisoned well that I'm extremely skeptical about any of these claims at this point. FSD is not perfect, but the last time there was a big scare like this the person was just using cruise control, not FSD.

This specific guy also has basically made his entire modern career out of lying about FSD for clicks, so... In the past he released a video where you could see the screen warning the accelerator was held down so the car would not stop. Having used it myself and seen that warning message, it also makes the standard alert error sound when it appears to draw your attention.

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Veserv|9 months ago

The "warning message" claim is a lie. The message that appeared on screen was "Supercharging unavailable - Add Payment method" as can be seen in this video [1], "Paid charging unavailable - Check unpaid balance" [2], or similar. That is the warning message avowed Tesla promoters claim indicates the accelerator was pressed.

They made that claim because the videos are usually linked and viewed at low resolutions where it is hard to make out the specific warning message being displayed. As such, the Tesla promoters believed they could make up false claims that suit their narrative with no way for anybody to disprove them. Unfortunately for them, the raw footage is frequently made available in 4k resolution allowing video evidence to disprove their claims of a "warning message".

In no situation where they make claims that there is a "accelerator pressed" message is the imagined message adequately visible to clearly demonstrate their claim to be true. In contrast, every situation where there is a high resolution video the message is in the category I stated and they still make demonstrably false claims that the message is "accelerator pressed". Even in situations where the video is only low resolution, there is still frequently adequate display and color resolution to see that the shape of the message is more similar to a two-word "Supercharging unavailable" than a 5-word "Cruise control will not brake" or a center screen "Autopilot will not brake".

Seriously, I dare you to present a video clearly demonstrating the claimed "accelerator pressed" message rather than shaky-cam Bigfoot-level video used as "proof". I already presented clear video evidence of my claims.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-U848qfNE

[2] https://vimeo.com/932562717/5fb3189771

[3] https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1dpzw2n/why_di...

[4] https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2614/tesla-software-update...

macintosh-hd|9 months ago

So we do agree that at the time this video was recorded, the error message was at the bottom of the screen instead of at its current prominent location that cannot be covered.

(Your citation for the error message being placed in the more prominent location is from June 2024. Mouse over the "1 year ago" to see the date it was posted, June 27th 2024. This is after the video you reference, April 24th 2024.)

Only one error message can be displayed at a time at the bottom of the screen, and considering how frequently this specific individual has been dishonest, I would not put it past him to have removed the payment method to block the error message from being visible.

If your response to this is why does the message get blocked, I ask you what normal user would have paid $6,000 for FSD and not ever planned to use a supercharger? And if they were paying $99/mo for it as a subscription, there would have been a card to pay for superchargers. (Additionally, this error message doesn't appear until after the first time you supercharge, because that one will be allowed to start without payment attached as a courtesy.) This edge case is still one that should be fixed, and so it is good that it was.

I mean, the first video you posted just now doesn't even show the screen at the time of impact! At this point, either the guy is dishonest or stupid. And neither are trustworthy. It would be a better use of your time to defend people making videos to this effect not associated with The Dawn Project. They’re obviously not managing to convince Tesla, nor any relevant safety bodies that something needs to be done.

In any case, we are arguing over footage that is 14 months old. That version of FSD was and is never going to be used by unsupervised autonomous vehicles. I agree that their previous titling of the feature lacking “(Supervised)” was misleading, but it did still require full attention and constant confirmation of hands on the wheel.