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dedicate | 8 months ago

I'm always blown away by the vision behind stuff like HyperCard. It was all about giving non-techies the keys to the kingdom.

But looking at today's tech landscape, with its walled gardens and app stores, I can't help but feel we've gone backwards.

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ronbenton|8 months ago

Apparently we need to be doing more LSD

criddell|8 months ago

I wish safe, tested sources were generally available. I’m 55 this year and would like to try it, but I’m not going to buy street drugs nor am I capable of producing it. Is there a pharmaceutical version of LSD available somewhere in the world through legitimate channels?

LoganDark|8 months ago

LSD can be quite helpful to the right mind and when used with the right mindset. It can also be quite harmful if used improperly. Still wish it were legal though.

kibwen|8 months ago

What's worse, in context here, is Apple's distinguished primary role in bringing this about.

PontifexMinimus|8 months ago

It's like they remembered their 1984 advert, and decided they wanted to be the baddy in it.

thowawatp302|8 months ago

Idk 2003-2009 was very much the days of the sort of malware and spyware that showed developers in a company didn’t deserve rights anymore

GeekyBear|8 months ago

Swift Playgrounds is very much in the spirit of HyperCard, but also gives access to the same APIs the professional developers are using.

It's also designed to be usable and educational for kids.

JKCalhoun|8 months ago

Yeah, Hypercard or MacPaint (really a demo for Quickdraw). Had he done only one of those two he would still rank as a genius.

KerrAvon|8 months ago

From a particular POV, they’re it’s the same evolutionary chain. QuickDraw -> MacPaint -> HyperCard.

gyomu|8 months ago

It's really hard to extract computing from the capitalistic, consumerist cradle within which it was born.

Every other human creative practice and media (poetry, theater, writing, music, painting, etc) have existed in a wide variety of cultures, societies, and economic contexts.

But computing has never existed outside of the immensely expensive and complex factories & supply chains required to produce computing components; and corporations producing software and selling it to other corporations, or to the large consumer class with disposable income that industrialization created.

In that sense the momentum of computing has always been in favor of the corporations manufacturing the computers dictating what can be done with them. We've been lucky to have had a few blips like the free software movement here and there (and the outsized effect they've had on the industry speaks to how much value there is to be found there), but the hard reality that's hard to fight is that if you control the chip factories, you control what can be done with the chips - Apple being the strongest example of this.

We're in dire need of movements pushing back against that. To name one, I'm a big fan of the uxn approach, which is to write software for a lightweight virtual machine that can run on the cheap, abundant, less/non locked down chips of yesteryear that will probably still be available and understandable a century from now.

bigyabai|8 months ago

Part of the problem trying to isolate computing is that it's fundamentally material. Even cloud resources are a flimsy abstraction over a more complex business model. That materialism is part of the issue, too. You can't ever escape the churn, bit rot gets your drives and Hetzner doesn't sell a lifetime plan. If you're not computing for the short-term, you're arguably wasting your time.

I'm not against the idea of a disasterproof runtime, but you're not "pushing back" against the consumerist machine by outlasting it. When high-quality software becomes inaccessible to support some sort of longtermist runtime, low-quality software everywhere sees a rise in popularity.

reaperducer|8 months ago

But computing has never existed outside of the immensely expensive and complex factories & supply chains required to produce computing components; and corporations producing software and selling it to other corporations, or to the large consumer class with disposable income that industrialization created.

You must be too young to have experienced the time when it was expected that you would build your own computer at home, and either write your own software for it, or get it for free (or just a duplication beer) from the local computer club.

swyx|8 months ago

you can only blame capitalism so much for the unpopularity of hypercardlike things vs instagram/facebook/twitter etc

on some level it is just human nature to want to consume than create. just is. its not great but lets not act like people havent tried to make creative new platforms for self expression and software creation and they all kinda failed

Lu2025|8 months ago

> feel we've gone backwards

The word you are looking for is enshittification.