[Hojojo]

I don't really understand any of your comment. Can you explain exactly how to solve all the problems that she's rightfully pointed out? I'm actually not sure what your problem is with what she says.

Or why you think pointing out the toxicity of the manosphere is a bad thing?

You actually didn't provide any arguments for why she's wrong and you didn't provide any better solutions either.

I took away much more from her post than I did your comment. All I see here is somebody who's firmly in the alt right bubble who doesn't like being called out.

[BugheadTorpeda6]

I think basically what they are trying to say is that the whole idea that men behave the way they do because of a "lack of education in emotional literacy" or whatever is incorrect. The emotions themselves that bubble to the top between both groups tend to be different and require different responses. A "heart to heart" like you might have with your wife is not necessarily gonna help with your teenage beef between a bunch of insecure young men.

They are saying that relationships between men are different from relationships between women or between men and women, and that they don't necessarily rely on things like emotional intimacy to the same extent, or perhaps that the emotional intimacy experienced doesn't have to be in the form of a very caring heart to heart conversation about feelings.

To be honest, they have a good point in some ways. I think it's true that male friendships are different from women's and it would be basically biologically and culturally impossible to get men to share their feelings as often and in as much detail as women (nor would that necessarily be desirable). But I think there is definitely something to be said for lack of connection between men, and that the original article is correctly identifying a number of very real problems. It's just the whole cliche "men need to cry it out with their bros more" thing that is misguided and not believable to plenty of mature and not frustrated / Andrew Tate watching guys.

I also suspect the whole Andrew Tate thing is really a phenomenon of pre-pubescent and pubescent boys and that it is not nearly as big a problem among, say, people in their 20s. I'd really like to see the statistics on who is watching because I suspect the demographics are like plenty of other "edgy" teenager type shows and that it precipitously drops off once people pass through puberty. My suspicions are mostly driven by the fact I've never heard a man in real life ever mention the guy once and I'm only 28 years old. Certainly, if he had some more broad appeal to men in general, I would have at least heard of it and maybe watched it at least once? I've certainly heard of Joe Rogan for instance, who certainly has a more broad appeal to men more generally.

Young men have always been into a lotta uncouth and kinda shitty stuff like that and I'm not sure they aren't going to grow out of it just like we did with our own "manly man" bullshit back in the day.

[incomingpain]

>I took away much more from her post than I did your comment. All I see here is somebody who's firmly in the alt right bubble who doesn't like being called out.

As I said go back to read the first part about how she doesnt understand. Just like you just admit dont understand.

Again another label pushed onto others, 'alt right' keep it up. keep dividing and attacking.

>But now, as diversity pipeline programs like the one I've spent my career building are systematically dismantled and women's fundamental rights are rolled back to chants of “your body, my choice,”

Who is winning? The author straight up admits defeat and wants to go after children to push her failed ideas. You know how fast that'll be systematically dismantled if she tried?

Her push for boys who nurse or teach is telling. Will she call out the systemic sexism in those industries? Give men free tuition to become those things? You've never even heard that before have you? My side isnt about attacking like this.

>You actually didn't provide any arguments for why she's wrong and you didn't provide any better solutions either.

My solution is being implemented and is systematically dismantling the problem. It's about rolling back some rights. My body, her choice is what we heard during covid vaccines.

Sorry that i am part of the side that's implementing the solution. What's to argue for?

What happened here is that the republicans should have pushed back against this stuff, but as the quote goes... "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."