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Mac OS X 10.8.1 is out.

72 points| mvip | 13 years ago |support.apple.com | reply

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[+] pooriaazimi|13 years ago|reply
Still no fix for dropped Wi-Fi after waking up from sleep... I spent 15 minutes (really, I timed it) this evening closing and opening my MBP's lid until I could finally connect to my wireless router (which is literally 7 inches to the right of my MBP).

If you don't know what I'm talking about, read this: http://osxdaily.com/2011/11/06/lion-wi-fi-problems-solution-... - About 300 people have posted on that topic, it's really widespread yet it hasn't been fixed after 15 months. You can also google "lion wireless problems" to see literally thousands of post on online forums about this problem.

And a good news to all fellow iOS users: This "feature" (read "cancer") has spread to iOS 6 betas as well.

[+] city41|13 years ago|reply
I have found ever since upgrading to Mountain Lion that waking up is iffy in general. The login screen displays, but it can take anywhere from 10 seconds to several minutes before I can type in my password. Sometimes it takes so long I just force the machine down and reboot instead.
[+] marquis|13 years ago|reply
I 'fixed' this: create a shell script that pings your router every 30 seconds and add it to your launchagents. It forces the wifi to stay alive. Let me know if you'd like me to post more on how to do this. I've had this problem since Lion and my wifi hasn't dropped for months now.
[+] cstejerean|13 years ago|reply
Try turning off your bluetooth. I had the same issues with wifi reconnect after sleep and they went away after turning off bluetooth on the laptop.
[+] Shivetya|13 years ago|reply
There was a similar issue with Snow Leopard and I would not doubt others had it with Lion. What irked me in my case was my first year i5 iMac (the i5 in twenty seven inch form) was perfectly fine until I upgraded. Then suddenly wireless may or may not work upon waking from sleep. The odd part was, it might work for a few seconds after waking before I would have to manually end it and connect again. It was talking to the Airport Extreme just fine, it could not get beyond it.

The kicker, the copy of windows which I ran through Parallels could connect. I could surf sites and VPN through Windows in a VM while OS X applications could not, until I bounced the wireless connection.

[+] maayank|13 years ago|reply
There was definitely some wifi drivers problem in the original Lion. I wrote a fairly popular blog post summarizing reported solutions to the wifi problem in Lion and what solved it for me: http://thoughts.maayank.com/2011/08/wireless-problems-with-m...

I wrote it a long time ago, but maybe it will still give you (or others) leads to a solution. FWIW I haven't had any major wifi problems since the first or second Lion update.

[+] pmjordan|13 years ago|reply
Resetting the SMC [1] on my Macbook Air (late 2010) seems to have fixed the wifi issue. Obviously, no guarantee that'll fix it on yours...

Unfortunately, I've had all sorts of other, less intermittent issues with Mountain Lion. Finder is extremely sluggish (beachballing a LOT), sleep can be iffy, and will cut in while a Time Machine volume on network share is mounted, leaving it in an unclean state and wanting to delete all my backups (!!!) and start over. (I've thus far worked around it with a full fsck and deleting only the most recent snapshot and updating the plist file to reflect this, but that's not really a solution as it takes a few hours at a time to do the fsck over the network)

I'm also getting far worse battery life than before, as the system has 5-10% CPU utilisation when idle for no apparent reason.

I'm hoping these have improved with 10.8.1, otherwise I'll revert to Lion and think about switching back to Linux in the medium term...

[1] http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964

[+] gnufied|13 years ago|reply
Have you tried:

"To fix this, I removed all the remembered locations and then in Configure Network Prefrences -> TCP/IP changed Configure IPV6 to Link-local only."

EDIT: It did seem to make things better for me, where after waking up from sleep it at least automatically reconnects, but it is still not same as Lion I think.d

[+] tambourine_man|13 years ago|reply
I thought I was alone with this.

But connection drops intermittently with me, not when waking from sleep.

And now I have this weird flickering cursor while typing in Mail.app

God I miss Snow Leopard.

[+] peapicker|13 years ago|reply
I had no issues in Snow Leopard, but had the dropped Wi-Fi after wake up from sleep on all Lion with my iMac/Atheros chipset and Cisco wireless n router. Had tried downgrading to 10.6.4 Atheros driver, etc, etc, etc, from the apple forums, and nothing worked.

I decided to try something I shouldn't have had to and bought an Airport Extreme.

No more issues. I've since sold the Cisco N router -- that had worked perfectly with every other wifi device in the house, including this same computer before Lion.

[+] fein|13 years ago|reply
Is there a reason that you have to open/ close instead of just giving airport a kick in the pants?
[+] X-Istence|13 years ago|reply
What version of the MBP is this? I have a 2009 MacBook Pro 13", and two 2007 MacBook Pro 15" and I haven't had any issues at all with Wifi.
[+] clupprich|13 years ago|reply
My MBA 2011 will still not wake up from sleep. Need to hard shutdown it every time. :(
[+] hnriot|13 years ago|reply
no issues here with 13" 2009 MBP.

7" - maybe you should invest in an ethernet cable...

[+] headbiznatch|13 years ago|reply
I truly love my MacBook Pro from late 2008: "pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands-unless-I-get-a-new-machine" love. But I still get that anxious knot in my gut when thinking about upgrading OS X, for one reason: when problems are discovered and reported, Apple will simply hang you out to dry.

Specifically, that machine had known issues with the GPU and dual boot was spotty because the fans would not run in Windows unless you manually started them in OS X. For YEARS, users begged for help and got nothing from Apple, and in some cases, Apple even actively FOUGHT them (e.g. http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/19/blogger-victorious-over-...). All this to avoid looking like they were anything less than perfect.

I know - waaaaa!. It's still an awesome machine (and OS - I love and hate all platforms in one way or another), but it's a shame that Apple has earned the reputation that Jobs so famously put a face on when he felt personally challenged over these complaints: it's not broken, you are using it wrong, get over it - it's just a machine. It's a tough position to put the consumer in when you are a company that expects that customer to cede so much control in the name of "trust our authority".

[+] dag11|13 years ago|reply
I feel the same way about my early 2009 Macbook Pro. One reason I love it is because I have easy access to the battery should I need to replace it, and I even have easy access to the hard drive bay.
[+] blinkingled|13 years ago|reply
This has got to be the smallest OS update in recent history - 7.28MB did not feel right!
[+] OlivierLi|13 years ago|reply
Kernel modules are vital and yet can be very small. On Linux at least.
[+] pmjordan|13 years ago|reply
Could be because they dropped support for 32-bit kernels in 10.8, and generally pretty much everything apart from public libraries are 64-bit only.
[+] pseudonym|13 years ago|reply
And yet not a word about battery power. You'd think that if this is in this one, they'd have it at the top of the list.
[+] grecy|13 years ago|reply
I saw a report from someone that upgraded where the battery life went from < 3 hours to > 6 hours.
[+] blinkingled|13 years ago|reply
Just browsing HN with iGPU on and my 17" dropped fast from 98% to 89% - it does show 7:04 Remaining though. Not confident about the battery life fix.
[+] halayli|13 years ago|reply
I was expecting: Improve Safari Stability.

Safari is crashing way more frequently than it used to.

[+] danudey|13 years ago|reply
I've found Safari to be much MORE reliable, if for no other reason than playing HTML5 video made Safari crash reliably in Lion, which doesn't happen in Mountain Lion.

Specifically, HTML5 video via the YouTube5 extension was fine. Also, HTML5 video that YouTube and Vimeo voluntarily showed me was fine. HTML5 video on The Escapist was not fine, and would crash somewhere between immediately and 30 seconds in (sometimes, but rarely, longer, but never so long as a minute).

This made AllThingsD especially frustrating to deal with, because they have HTML5 video straight on their front page, and while it doesn't auto play, it would cause the webview process to go into a crash loop until I closed that tab between crashes. I felt especially bad for my laptop (and the web server) when I opened a new tab to AllThingsD and went to get some water and it crashed 15-20 times in a row.

Now? Everything works great. Faster, smoother, less crashy.

[+] Spooky23|13 years ago|reply
I've found Safari to be unusable for a year or two now on my 09 iMac. Lots of random freezing and overall poor performance.

Chrome is just too much better to even bother with Safari.

[+] mullingitover|13 years ago|reply
Does this fix the broken fullscreen apps with multimonitor setups?
[+] CaveTech|13 years ago|reply
Highly doubt it. That's a relic from Lion, doesn't appear to be a "bug".
[+] mvelie|13 years ago|reply
With multimonitor setup the apps are allowed to use those extra monitors while in full screen. You're supposed to be able to drag pieces of the apps into them if the app supports it.
[+] pseudonym|13 years ago|reply
It actually seems like there's a way around this on an app level-- I downgraded iTerm2 from the current 1.0.2.whatever to the 1.0.0 stable, and Full Screen properly takes up one screen on 10.8 instead of filling my other monitor with felt.
[+] helipad|13 years ago|reply
I heard the Save As... hack/fix was being modified to not write over the original. Crossing my fingers!
[+] jpxxx|13 years ago|reply
I can confirm that it is NOT resolved or changed in 10.8.1.
[+] avimeir|13 years ago|reply
Upgraded the day it was released, last few days I feel that you could cook an egg on my MBP after 2 hours of working (nothing fancy, IDE and browsers open - no heavy GPU usage). Do more people feel that 10.8.x overheats the machine?
[+] _djo_|13 years ago|reply
Nope, been better than Lion performance and heat wise for me. Might be worth trying a SMC reset.
[+] rwc|13 years ago|reply
This has been a huge issue on my mid-2010 MBP and others have reported the same on Apple forums. My MBP has been overheating, throwing up artifacts all over the screen and freezing requiring a hard reboot. So far so good though... fingers crossed.
[+] e40|13 years ago|reply
Yes! I definitely noticed the back, left area on the bottom was hotter than I ever remember it.
[+] nodata|13 years ago|reply
Open bug tracker please Apple! Lots of technical people are finding bugs and want to report them and keep visibility!
[+] spleeyah|13 years ago|reply
The title should say

    OS X 10.8.1
[+] mglass21|13 years ago|reply
I never had this problem when I was using Snow Leopard, but since I've updgraded to Mountain Lion, every time I wake up my computer, the Wifi freezes. What are developers doing to fix this problem. I'm getting tired of force rebooting in order to connect.
[+] namidark|13 years ago|reply
Does anyone know if this fixes missing icons? My MBP 2011 will come up with the wifi or other random icons hidden (I can still click on where they 'would' be and it'll show me the wifi networks, for instance)...
[+] bangbang|13 years ago|reply
The OS now updates via the App store. Interesting...
[+] pooriaazimi|13 years ago|reply
The sad thing is that it takes just as long as before when it checks for new software... I was really hoping they would speed things up a bit.
[+] _djo_|13 years ago|reply
Yes, the old Software Update menu just opens the App Store now.
[+] jedberg|13 years ago|reply
Yeah, that completely threw me off. I thought I clicked the wrong menu item, closed it, did it again, and was thoroughly confused.
[+] pinko|13 years ago|reply
Doesn't this imply that you can no longer update MacOS without an Apple ID? That would be a huge (and unfortunate) change.
[+] patrickod|13 years ago|reply
Does anyone know if this fixes stability issues waking from sleep? My 09 MBP crashes when I wake it around 50% of the time
[+] jpxxx|13 years ago|reply
Now to see if Messages has baseline functionality or if the crippling e-mail issues are resolved...

Nope? OK.

[+] ttunguz|13 years ago|reply
I'm really hoping the Exchange bug is fixed. Has anyone tested?
[+] yew-right|13 years ago|reply
OSX: How to ruin perfectly good BSD UNIX.