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Ada Continues to Climb in June Tiobe Index and PYPL

68 points| DragonSpiritWTP | 8 months ago |forum.ada-lang.io

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0xTJ|8 months ago

I've only ever seen Ada used in a military-related product, and there was one person on the team responsible for maintaining it. They didn't like doing it, but it was a legacy product, and they were the only one who had learned enough Ada to do it.

carlmr|8 months ago

This is nice, I like Ada, but why is this happening now, is there any explanation for the blip?

josefx|8 months ago

Maybe Tiobe counts hits for NVIDIAs Ada Generation graphics cards?

akho|8 months ago

TIOBE can be, ahem, unreliable.

On the other hand — defence budgets are increasing all over the world.

darrenfollet|8 months ago

alire I would suspect is mostly responsible

Ygg2|8 months ago

Honestly, it's probably driven by nVidia.

That said with both Google and Stackoverflow becoming irrelevant, who cares about Tiobe.

wewewedxfgdf|8 months ago

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

IshKebab|8 months ago

Lies, damned lies, and Tiobe.

nindalf|8 months ago

Please stop citing Tiobe. https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/

josevalim|8 months ago

I have a fun anecdote. About 5-6 years ago, Elixir completely disappeared from the top 100 after spending some time in the top 50. People reached out to me and then I reached out to TIOBE to understand why and the reason given was "bad presence on Amazon".

After further investigation, the root cause seemed to be that we finally had enough published Elixir books. At the time, if you searched for "xyz programming" on Amazon and only found a few results, Amazon would pad those results with non-relevant entries. However, because Elixir reached about 20-30 books, we were no longer padded, so we suddenly got worse rankings than every other language with only a handful of books. This happened on every Amazon domain they searched on, so it compounded and effectively kicked us out of the top 100 altogether. This all happened at a time Elixir language activity had already reached top 25 on GitHub PRs/stars.

KronisLV|8 months ago

If you wanted accurate statistics for each language, you'd probably have to go closer to the source:

  - How many downloads for the compiler/runtime/toolchains have?
  - How many downloads do the packages on the package manager (if any) have?
  - How many downloads do base containers have? How popular are the SaSS/PaSS offerings geared towards the languages?
But of course, doing that for a bunch of stacks would be quite difficult and time consuming, so people feel confident in just looking at Google Trends or an equivalent (or aggregating similar surface level data from a bunch of providers) and just calling it a day.

manbitesdog|8 months ago

Anything beyond directly asking developers (SO posts, Github repositories, books...) ends up being extremely biased. The Stack Overflow Annual Dev Survey is the only source I check, and even there the population targets and questions are not free from bias. For instance, I've been adding OpenScad in the free text option for the last 5 years.

tialaramex|8 months ago

It's really great for identifying whether people are interested in the facts or were just reaching for justification of their pre-existing conclusion.

howtofly|8 months ago

I just checked it for Rust:

"18 17 change Rust page Rust 0.97% -0.20%"

pjmlp|8 months ago

That is one of the few measurements that management listens to, regardless of how bad we think it is.

micronian2|8 months ago

While one can choose to dismiss the TIOBE index (I don’t have any strong opinion about it), there was also a screen shot of PYPL showing a steady increase in Ada over recent months. Something positive is happening!