[mvc]

> Wherever it is you live that you feel is morally superior to America and Israel on commercialized CNE

It's not the tech (or lack of it) that makes me feel morally superior. It's the choice to use that tech to defend literal facists that I would find embarassing.

[wvh]

Exactly. As somebody with a past in security, I've often thought about the ethics of my actions. Where is the ethics of government?

If you think that sounds naive, I think you get my point. Those in power can not show worse ethics and morals than those they rule, at least not if you want to uphold the illusion of democracy and its values.

[lo_zamoyski]

It's not a question of illusion. Classical political philosophy makes it clear that leaders must be virtuous to be good leaders, and that the consequences of having leaders without virtue are bad. No system can counteract vice; people, after all, run the system. Probably the most famous example of how the state degenerates as virtue weakens is given in Plato's Republic, but this is seen consistently.

The American founders also emphasized the requirement that, for the American republic to function, it must have a virtuous people. The democratic process means that citizens now participate in the political process and thus shoulder some of the responsibility for how well a country is governed. The virtue of citizens becomes even more important.