[dakr]

This argument reminds me of theists asking, "without a god, what is there to keep you from being amoral and running around killing people?"

Humans are capable of and do, in fact, act on more than just one or two simplistic external levers. We have agency, understanding, and drive to have empathy and to create.

[msgodel]

Right but the natural state of humanity without real social norms and meta norms is to just form small, violent, relatively unproductive tribes. Civilization doesn't scale without rules.

[kqr]

Of whose natural humanity? Areyou naturally violent and unproductive without coercion? I'm not.