[jaoane]

CGNAT is completely irrelevant to the average person. It’s only an issue if you expect others to connect to you, which is something that almost all people don’t need.

(inb4 but the internet was made to receive connections! Well yes, decades ago maybe. But that’s not the way things have evolved. Get with the times.)

[juergbi]

Cloudflare sometimes preventing access to some sites and annoying CAPTCHA challenges due to CGNAT are relevant to the average person.

Full IPv6 support should be a requirement for both ISPs as well as websites and other servers.

[jaoane]

> Cloudflare sometimes preventing access to some sites and annoying CAPTCHA challenges due to CGNAT are relevant to the average person.

They would be, but thankfully CGNAT doesn’t cause that.

[throw0101d]

> It’s only an issue if you expect others to connect to you, which is something that almost all people don’t need.

Unless they're playing video games:

* https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=27339...

* https://www.checkmynat.com/posts/optimizing-nat-settings-for...

The video game industry is bigger than movies, television, and music combined:

* https://www.marketing-beat.co.uk/2024/10/22/dentsu-gaming-da...

So I think CGNAT / double-NAT can hit a lot of folks.

> Well yes, decades ago maybe. But that’s not the way things have evolved. Get with the times.

Why? Why should I accept the enshittification of the Internat that has evolved to this point? Why cannot people push for something better?

[jaoane]

Pathetic that in 2025 there still are games that rely on p2p connections, to the detriment of the experience because cheating can’t be detected server-side. GTA 5 is one of them.