Sorry if this is me being a "statistical grammar nazi," but he started his post with it... and it's not like misspelling a famous person's name, it's spreading innumeracy.
"There are approximately 7 billion people in the world. The average life expectancy is somewhere around 67.5 years. So in the next 67.5 years 7 billion people will die"
He's confusing average with actual.
Here's a simple example: imagine we have two people. 1 person who will die in 1 year, and 1 person who will die in 9. The average here is 5 years, and after 5 years only 1 person will be dead, not 2.
While It's not always true that selecting only individuals who have a value less than or equal to the average gets you half the population, this correct for normally distributed value when there are lots of samples, so the authors numbers are basically off by a factor of two.... which he almost notices here:
"So in the next 67.5 years 7 billion people will die. 67.5 years * 365 days is about 25,000 days. That’s about 280,000 deaths per day average. Right now that number is lower at about 155,000, but as the population ages that will catch up with us."
I can't wait for the next Hollywood sci-fi movie in which aliens discover Earth just to find out that humanity wiped out itself to extinction or mysteriously left the planet for some reason... but Facebook, YouTube, and Google - as computational infrastructures - still work (powered on by means of a rusty switch in some dark industrial facility room) and they start to learn about humans from their profiles.
Digital media is going to have a very interesting effect on future generations. Imagine what it would be like if you could watch videos, view thousands of pictures, and read a detailed account of your ancestors actions for generations before you.
We're the first generation to document our lives so thoroughly, history before the digital age will fade away, much like oral history (before written history) has for us.
> We're the first generation to document our lives so thoroughly
... but we don't know yet if all the data that we create will still be around in a few generations, and it's far from obvious to me. It seems unlikely to me that the platforms we use today will still be around at this time, and my guess is that there won't be a sufficient incentive to migrate legacy data from one platform to the other (remember Geocities?). Managing the digital memories of the living is a profitable business, but managing that of the dead might not be.
If future generations judge me based on what I post publicly online (and that includes Facebook), they will get a very superficial picture of me because I'm careful to not post more. Perhaps I should keep a diary.
History will be a lot easier, which is good, less myths is always good. But maybe it will allow our brains to be lazy since there's no more missing link to solve.
I expect the Internet and social media is going to continue to evolve and blow past what Facebook was able to accomplish faster than anyone thinks. I don't expect Facebook will last as the largest social network for much more than 5 years. And the reason is simple, it only took Facebook that long to go from 1 million to 1 billion users. It's successor will probably be able to do it in half that time. I bet we're only a couple years away from that eventuality.
We're already a few decades past the point that you've described. Email has been the biggest social network for a long time, dwarfing Facebook and any of its competitors.
Basically all Facebook users have at least one email account. Then there are all of the people who don't use Facebook, yet still use email. That's a lot of people!
Also, that's really only just considering personal email usage, too. Many of those people, whether or not they use Facebook, use email as part of their jobs.
Maybe Facebook or some other mechanism will catch up with email at some point, but that's looking very unlikely.
And the reason is simple, it only took Facebook that long to go from 1 million to 1 billion users. It's successor will probably be able to do it in half that time. I bet we're only a couple years away from that eventuality.
It's possible, but the alternate hypothesis is that Facebook now has a sufficient number of users that network effects will keep those users locked in, provided that the company itself doesn't do anything ridiculously stupid.
Which will happen? I have no idea: the future is hard. But a plausible story can be spun in either direction.
You're being excessively literalist about this important point.
Either we're living through the digital dark ages, and any and all personal records we make will be toast within 30 years, or we're going to leave a lot of information about ourselves cluttering up the datasphere. Whether it's curated by Facebook or by some other successor entity is beside the point: the question is, what is the net going to be like when more than half the people with a presence on it are dead?
It's an interesting scenario and very likely, but I suppose FB engineers and shareholders are not too concerned about Facebook becoming a digital graveyard in 50 years because they will be dead themselves.
You're kidding, right? The FB engineers are probably mostly under 30 - you're assuming they'll die before they're 80?
Added in edit: Well, I guess from the downvote(s) that people do assume the FB engineers will die before they're 80.
Added in further edit: It's been suggested that my comment lowered the tone. If that's the case then I apologize, it wasn't intended to. It's been further pointed out that from 27 years of age onwards, the male life expectancy in the USA is indeed 50 years or less. So I was wrong anyway. I've learned something, for which I am not sorry. I was wrong, for which I am not sorry, because it afforded me the opportunity to learn. I may have lowered the tone, for which I am sorry.
Facebook will apply the data from each account to the Turing Test. Start with a database of 67.5 years of e-mail, tweets, photos, voice mail, video mail, geo-location, blogs, purchase history, social networks, all from one person. Then add AI and a remote presence device, and we can all live on.
It doesn't matter for the network itself, just like it doesn't matter how many accounts are dormant because you don't see those who are not active. Yes, data belonging to people who have passed will be stored there, somewhere, on a server and backed up to a tape but rarely accessed.
It won't be like standing in a graveyard. It will be like sitting at home, with you friends and family, knowing that those photo albums on the shelf are full of pictures of people you won't see again. Every once in a while you'll look through them but otherwise life will go on.
I went and looked, but I can't see anything off about the background. Someone in the comments talks about flickering, but there's no flickering for me - everything looks fine.
So what are you seeing, what browser/OS are you using, and have you tried, you know, telling him?
It's mind boggling that for the author people are either alive or dead, no one's sick or incapacitated, and everyone have access to the Web. Utopian much?
(Dare I guess it was written by a white affluent young male?)
>It's mind boggling that for the author people are either alive or dead, no one's sick or incapacitated, and everyone have access to the Web. Utopian much?
It's mind moggling that you raise this point and call it "mind boggling".
What's "ming boggling" about it? People are either alive or dead, period. And for the purposes of the article, that's the only distinction that matters.
What if someone has the flu or is in hospital for 6 months, or even looses his leg or something? Does that affect his Facebook page, besides him neglecting it for a while maybe? And even if it did, what the duck does it have to do with the topic that interests the article, i.e the amassing of pages by dead users?
"There are approximately 7 billion people in the world. The average life expectancy is somewhere around 67.5 years. So in the next 67.5 years 7 billion people will die"
Really? I have the feeling that the author confuses "average life expectancy from birth" with "average life expectancy from now on". And thinks that a live expectancy of 67.5 years means that all people alive today are dead in 67.5 years. And forgets to take into account the deaths of people who are born in the future.
The average live expectancy of all living persons is much lower then 67.5 more years from now. Maybe half of that? Additionally people will have children and some of these will also die earlier then in 67.5 years. And some of the children will have children who die earlier etc.
The result could actually be right, but it would need some more explanation how it was calculated.
Maybe all this is true, but even if 8 billion people die in that period, the author's statement is still true since 7 billion people have to die in order for 8 billion to die.
I don't see the point of this kind of nitpicking. It's doing nothing to further any sort of conversation on the topic -- it just seems needlessly critical.
[+] [-] dlss|13 years ago|reply
"There are approximately 7 billion people in the world. The average life expectancy is somewhere around 67.5 years. So in the next 67.5 years 7 billion people will die"
He's confusing average with actual.
Here's a simple example: imagine we have two people. 1 person who will die in 1 year, and 1 person who will die in 9. The average here is 5 years, and after 5 years only 1 person will be dead, not 2.
While It's not always true that selecting only individuals who have a value less than or equal to the average gets you half the population, this correct for normally distributed value when there are lots of samples, so the authors numbers are basically off by a factor of two.... which he almost notices here:
"So in the next 67.5 years 7 billion people will die. 67.5 years * 365 days is about 25,000 days. That’s about 280,000 deaths per day average. Right now that number is lower at about 155,000, but as the population ages that will catch up with us."
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We're the first generation to document our lives so thoroughly, history before the digital age will fade away, much like oral history (before written history) has for us.
[+] [-] a3_nm|13 years ago|reply
... but we don't know yet if all the data that we create will still be around in a few generations, and it's far from obvious to me. It seems unlikely to me that the platforms we use today will still be around at this time, and my guess is that there won't be a sufficient incentive to migrate legacy data from one platform to the other (remember Geocities?). Managing the digital memories of the living is a profitable business, but managing that of the dead might not be.
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[+] [-] PommeDeTerre|13 years ago|reply
Basically all Facebook users have at least one email account. Then there are all of the people who don't use Facebook, yet still use email. That's a lot of people!
Also, that's really only just considering personal email usage, too. Many of those people, whether or not they use Facebook, use email as part of their jobs.
Maybe Facebook or some other mechanism will catch up with email at some point, but that's looking very unlikely.
[+] [-] jseliger|13 years ago|reply
It's possible, but the alternate hypothesis is that Facebook now has a sufficient number of users that network effects will keep those users locked in, provided that the company itself doesn't do anything ridiculously stupid.
Which will happen? I have no idea: the future is hard. But a plausible story can be spun in either direction.
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[+] [-] cstross|13 years ago|reply
Either we're living through the digital dark ages, and any and all personal records we make will be toast within 30 years, or we're going to leave a lot of information about ourselves cluttering up the datasphere. Whether it's curated by Facebook or by some other successor entity is beside the point: the question is, what is the net going to be like when more than half the people with a presence on it are dead?
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[+] [-] ColinWright|13 years ago|reply
Added in edit: Well, I guess from the downvote(s) that people do assume the FB engineers will die before they're 80.
Added in further edit: It's been suggested that my comment lowered the tone. If that's the case then I apologize, it wasn't intended to. It's been further pointed out that from 27 years of age onwards, the male life expectancy in the USA is indeed 50 years or less. So I was wrong anyway. I've learned something, for which I am not sorry. I was wrong, for which I am not sorry, because it afforded me the opportunity to learn. I may have lowered the tone, for which I am sorry.
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It won't be like standing in a graveyard. It will be like sitting at home, with you friends and family, knowing that those photo albums on the shelf are full of pictures of people you won't see again. Every once in a while you'll look through them but otherwise life will go on.
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So what are you seeing, what browser/OS are you using, and have you tried, you know, telling him?
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(Dare I guess it was written by a white affluent young male?)
[+] [-] batista|13 years ago|reply
It's mind moggling that you raise this point and call it "mind boggling".
What's "ming boggling" about it? People are either alive or dead, period. And for the purposes of the article, that's the only distinction that matters.
What if someone has the flu or is in hospital for 6 months, or even looses his leg or something? Does that affect his Facebook page, besides him neglecting it for a while maybe? And even if it did, what the duck does it have to do with the topic that interests the article, i.e the amassing of pages by dead users?
[+] [-] Muzza|13 years ago|reply
Yes, us awful young white males are never sick.
[+] [-] no_gravity|13 years ago|reply
Really? I have the feeling that the author confuses "average life expectancy from birth" with "average life expectancy from now on". And thinks that a live expectancy of 67.5 years means that all people alive today are dead in 67.5 years. And forgets to take into account the deaths of people who are born in the future.
The average live expectancy of all living persons is much lower then 67.5 more years from now. Maybe half of that? Additionally people will have children and some of these will also die earlier then in 67.5 years. And some of the children will have children who die earlier etc.
The result could actually be right, but it would need some more explanation how it was calculated.
[+] [-] bostonpete|13 years ago|reply
I don't see the point of this kind of nitpicking. It's doing nothing to further any sort of conversation on the topic -- it just seems needlessly critical.