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flask_manager | 8 months ago

Because selectively applying this line of reasoning to one moral injustice is making someone a victim by unfairly applying a standard to them alone.

Is your plan to analyze all current wealth for morality based redistribution?

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g-b-r|8 months ago

> Because selectively applying this line of reasoning to one moral injustice is making someone a victim by unfairly applying a standard to them alone.

Who argued to apply it selectively?

> Is your plan to analyze all current wealth for morality based redistribution?

It's not about morality, it's seeing what part or your current wealth is due to obscene and unjustifiable (often even for the time) acts.

No one argues to have you do time for your ancestors, but if part of your wealth is due to those acts, what would be wrong about giving it back?

danaris|8 months ago

...what is "obscene" and what is "justifiable" are about morality.

I mean, I agree with your conclusion, but I don't think trying to paint this as some kind of purely rational act is either necessary or helpful.

It is moral to try to redress past wrongs—especially when those past wrongs have created massive current wrongs and inequities.

It is moral to take from those who have built their wealth on the backs of the suffering of the many, and to give to those who suffered to make it possible.

Morality doesn't need to be a dirty word, nor does it need to be something we're not allowed to look to to guide our collective actions.

Defletter|8 months ago

> Is your plan to analyze all current wealth for morality based redistribution?

Don't threaten me with a good time! Jokes aside, I'm generally pro-redistribution to begin with (I'm somewhat of a dirty communist) and I think trying to finagle exactly how much someone's wealth should be redistributed based on the weaving and waning of economic activity over two centuries to be rather a waste of time. Better to just redistribute based on wealth. But if this were something that happened only thirty years ago, I'd absolutely be calling for "morality based redistribution", as you put it, because it is then something that can actually be achieved.