[neepi]

I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to.

All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the headline changes context very quickly from the first cut to what people read and remember. (I wrote an extensive suite of software to track this)

Wait and see. Do not judge too early. Take nothing as verbatim from anyone without evidence.

Don't be unknowing partisans of an information war. Veracity takes time.

[atoav]

This has been one of the deadliest conflicts for journalists in history. The number of killed journalists is very safe data, since the names are known and the cause of death is typically relatively well researched.

The story told by the data is that these journalists are overwhelmingly killed by Israeli forces, in some cases with prior notice of the press being where it was.

So if the IDF wants the press to tell the true story on the ground maybe let them do their work without killing them? The quesrion is: at which point do we have to stop assuming incompetence and start to assume malice (at least in parts)? For me personally that point has been months in the past.

This will be a stain on Israel for the rest of history.

[neepi]

I don't disagree with you there at all. That again backs up my point. There is a lot of information and evidence to back those cases up. Which should be the universal standard that we hold everyone accountable to.

This information didn't just appear out of nowhere. It took time to collate, source and verify.

[ashoeafoot]

Hamas member gets a press west by hamas newspaper or the muslim brotherhood (quatar) then participates in hamas warcrimes like using ambulances as troop transports and gets humused. Nobody believes those loud lies anymore.. that whole narrative is falling apart.

[quietbritishjim]

The information is unverified because Israel does not allow journalists into Gaza.

[snickerbockers]

Haaretz is the last news organization I would expect to knowingly spread anti-israel disinformation. If these guys are telling you what Israel is doing is bad then it's bad.

[birn559]

Could you elaborate? Because it's an Israeli news organization?

[lenkite]

> All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides.

Why do you say its "unverified" ? The commander in question: Brigadier General Yehuda Vach is formally under investigation for several crimes already: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-said-to-launch-probe-into-...

This nutcase general has faced consistent accusations from soldiers under his own command over the last year for over a dozen incidents alone. What is your holy threshold for evidence ? How can you "wait and see" if the press is not allowed at the food distribution site ? Basically, you are saying "wait and sweep it under the carpet".

[Yeul]

Wait and see while each day people keep dying? And who the hell is going to do these investigations?

[notjulianjaynes]

>(I wrote an extensive suite of software to track this)

Interesting. . . do you have a page for the project or anything?

[neepi]

No it’s internally used. Think of it like archive.ph but with text extraction and a diff like interface over the text.

[more_corn]

Sorry, but the killing of unarmed civilians seeking aid has been reported half a dozen times by many different outlets. The IDF denials are getting quite absurd. The only one suffering from disinformation is you.

[neepi]

I haven’t made a point either way. Please don’t quote me on things I haven’t said. That is morally and intellectually dishonest.

[MrSkelter]

The lack of journalism in this conflict is a direct result of Israel forbidding press access and their targeting of Palestinian and other journalists. This deliberate effort enables them to then criticize the reporting which is done and cast doubt over sources.

Since October 7th sources from within Palestine have been accurate regarding deaths and actions. Often being attacked first and then quietly acknowledged later.

There is no reason to doubt the reporting of Israel’s paper of record, which though considered left wing writhing Israel, supports Netanyahu’s attacks on Gaza and applies rigorous journalistic standards.

[specialist]

What measure of proof (evidence) do you require?

[neepi]

I suggest you re-read it a few times. I am not defending any party in this conflict. I want the truth to be established carefully for the sake of everyone. Misinformation just ends up with more bodies stacked up on both sides.

[jakelazaroff]

So because Israel has a "long history of humanitarianism", we can dismiss evidence of Israeli war crimes as fictitious hit jobs? And once we've dismissed all evidence of Israeli war crimes, we can conclude that Israel has a "long history of humanitarianism"? Rinse, repeat — do I have that right?

The source is one of the biggest Israeli newspapers, by the way.

[sorcerer-mar]

Thank you for your unbiased opinion shedding objective light on this incident and reporting. You have brought forth excellent evidence for dismissing this evidence.

Anyway, some more history to consider: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-11-17/ty-article/.p...

[itchyouch]

This rhetoric of “terrorists” is getting quite tiresome.

The world has been watching for over 2 years the atrocities occurring in Gaza and Israel and its people have has lost its credibility to its victimhood on the world stage.

This article is simply 1 extra reporting on a million of Israel’s offenses in the name of terrorism.

[int_19h]

Are you also considering Hamas' long history of humanitarianism? I mean, as a government, they do things like welfare...