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doug-moen | 8 months ago

If the coyotes breed, then attacks on humans will begin as the coyotes will instinctively defend their cubs from humans who get too close to the den, even unwittingly. It would be better to remove the coyotes before this happens.

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cowmoo728|8 months ago

I've seen this exact pair of coyotes three times now. I have a few blurry photos of them. They're about the size of my dog, who is roughly 60 pounds, so they are sizable and could hunt a small dog or child. However, they're very cautious around people still, and appear well fed. The wildlife in central park is highly adapted to the presence of people and stays away, except to dig through the park trash.

IG_Semmelweiss|8 months ago

If you have plentiful prey (rats outnumber humans in NYC) , this is not likely to happen

lawlessone|8 months ago

As the other post mentioned they can be aggressive to protect cubs then it is not about hunger..

kjkjadksj|8 months ago

Coyotes are all over socal and they really don’t go for people at all. Small dogs maybe.

otoburb|8 months ago

>>Small dogs maybe.

A judge in Brooklyn recently ruled[1] that dogs are (now) classified as "immediate family members". I wonder if the this might push the Central Park Conservancy to step up considerations for eradication of the coyotes to avoid potential emotional damages in light of the ruling if such a situation were to occur.

[1] https://www.nonhumanrights.org/blog/dogs-family-members/

metabagel|8 months ago

Small pets and small children are at risk.

giantg2|8 months ago

Generally true but there are exceptions.

VTimofeenko|8 months ago

IME(living in almost rural area, coyotes live in/near stormwater ponds and are abundant) they will follow you if you get too close to the den to try to drive you away, but won't engage.

Coyote pups are adorable though. A couple of them made a lair in a drain about a month ago but have relocated since. Still see one of them around the neighborhood with his distinctive tail.

steveBK123|8 months ago

Probably biggest human coyote interaction risks in Central Park will be the bikers and dog walkers.

woodpanel|8 months ago

Or a couple of decades of lost human lives until enough voters realize that the underlying ideology (that celebrates Coyotes next to playgrounds) absolutely values human life lower than what should be acceptable.

bell-cot|8 months ago

Coyotes have been breeding near human settlements, at scale, for thousands of years. Attacks happen, but are very rare.

I'd speculate that there has been considerable selective pressure against the "not highly avoidant of attacking humans" trait in coyotes.

fmbb|8 months ago

Coyotes are tiny critters. Surely they don’t attack humans?

triceratops|8 months ago

They're the size of a medium size dog, only not friendly. If we don't accept off-leash dogs in public I don't understand why coyotes are tolerated in human cities.

GauntletWizard|8 months ago

Dingoes are a good percentage smaller than Coyotes on average and maximum (Dingoes 22 – 33 lbs, Coyotes 20 – 46 lbs). Dingoes are small, to the point where "Dingoes ate my baby" was a common and sarcastic joke after a reported attack - And yet that attack was extensively proven[1].

Yes, a small group of Coyotes could easily corner or snatch a small child and pose a danger to such. Is it likely? No. Is it reasonable to relocate the coyotes? Absolutely. It might also be reasonable to manage and not relocate the coyotes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_Chamberlain-Creighton#Ev...

southernplaces7|8 months ago

At least when it comes to coyotes on the Pacific Northwest, they're not tiny at all. I've seen specimens that easily had the size of a largish German shepherd, many times. 30 to 40 kilos isn't rare, and that's not a tiny critter at all. It's definitely a threat to a kid or nearly any dog and could give even an adult male human a run for their money if the coyote actually got aggressive enough to lunge (that at least isn't likely, since they're fantastically cowardly when confronted by any aggression from adult humans, at least in my experience)

billfor|8 months ago

On the east coast the coyotes interbreed with wolves and form coywolves which are really huge and can be nasty. Look at the picture on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote. It's only a matter of time before something bad happens to a small child. They've already killed a lot of small dogs.

vunderba|8 months ago

The ones I've come across in the southwest portion of the U.S. are pretty small, and from Wikipedia: "The average male weighs 8 to 20 kg (18 to 44 lb) and the average female 7 to 18 kg (15 to 40 lb).".

My Pyrenees/husky mix absolutely dwarfs them and they give her a WIDE berth the few times I've seen them while hiking.

kibwen|8 months ago

It sounds like you're on the west coast, where coyotes are tiny. East coast coyotes are much larger, on the order of a good-sized dog.

That said, I welcome coyotes in urban spaces, and have admired from afar the few bold urban coyotes I've come across. Humans need reminders that they're a part of nature and not apart from nature, especially in the city. In terms of actual danger, coyotes kill approximately infinity times fewer people than cars do, so let's focus infinity times more energy on solving that problem first.

msgodel|8 months ago

Sssh. They don't want to hear it. It won't bother those of us who don't live there and they'll figure it out in a few years.

slwvx|8 months ago

Humans are a bigger risk to coyotes than coyotes to humans.

> It would be better to remove the coyotes before this happens.

following this logic, we should just kill all coyotes. We did this to lotsa other species, I hope we've stopped that.

triceratops|8 months ago

> we should just kill all coyotes

At least relocate them out of cities. Why would you ever want a predator that large living inside a city?

Let a dog, a domesticated animal that we trust to live in our homes with our children and babies, off-leash in a city and people lose their minds. But coyotes move in and everyone's chill? Wtf

southernplaces7|8 months ago

Coyotes are already slaughtering pets in places where their population reaches saturation levels thanks to access to so much easy food. It's not a hypothetical, it's something that actively happens and in such places, attacks on little kids are not a miniscule risk.

No, you don't have to kill all coyotes to control a specific population of them in a particular place in way that actually re-balances a completely unnatural saturation in their numbers.

There's nothing grotesque about recognizing the reality of these being urban spaces in which it might just not be a good idea to have many thousands more 40-kilo predators wandering around than would ever be natural even if the area were totally uninhabited by humans.

bpodgursky|8 months ago

In cities where parks are the few places kids can play outdoors yes that is a reasonable idea.