I guess it depends on the authoritarian government, but a sufficiently powerful one will get the app taken down or get the bluetooth features it relies on disabled (like for airdrop in China) :/
I would say that the underlying issue is that people do not really "own" their devices and the corporations that do are vulnerable to (or complicit in) state coercion.
You cannot truly have freedom on a non-free device, you can just be small enough to not be worth taking action against yet.
Indeed! Advanced countries will and have blocked apps.
For a more extensive discussion on censorship resilient mesh networking, see IETF Internet Standard draft from 2012 [1]. After the Arab Spring there was global hope. Great to see revival of this topic today. Mesh networking is 1990s. The lesson from decades ago was that mesh networking can't be the killer use-case. Users need a reason to install this and allow it to drain the battery while looking for nearby nodes. Mesh networking never broke through the glass ceiling.
Blocking apps is real. Even Amazon killed a side-loaded app [2].
But it would only really work well in a small area, such as a couple friends communicating at a demonstration, where there are a lot of people who may be motivated to participate in a particular area.
If there is a low density area between two people, a message could take a long time to show up. A message from NYC to LA is effectively relying on the messaging being cached on a phone in NYC, that person flying to LA, and then continuing the journey.
Though demonstration organizers could run around with QR codes making it easy for everybody to install the right app to communicate with each other during the demonstration. As long as people can side-load things on their phones, this should be possible without any way to stop it unless you deploy radio jammers. (Which is then the logical next step for police equipment in so minded states.)
Yeah, I used an older version of a bluetooth messaging app like this. We wish it had been available in the times of Tahrir Square, but it was actually helpfull onetime when my bus stopped at a rural Ethiopian bus stop, my girlfriend ran into the bathroom but was taking too long and I was able to warn her that the bus was getting ready to leave.
Wireless internet is getting better, but when you really need something like this, you really need it.
Nation states can use the baseband radios to track/monitor you, so it's best to leave your phone at home. You can't disable or observe baseband from the higher level OS.
FWIW what people call "baseband" in the context of this particular security flaw is what everyone (including those people) call "cellular modem" in every other context.
On a Pinephone you can turn it off with a physical power switch.
If you really wanted to, on most other phones you could desolder it and throw it in the garbage. You'd need to already have custom firmware on the main CPU (or should I say "application processor" to fit in with the people who say "baseband processor") so it wouldn't crash or lock up when booting.
A little bit less destructive (in case you want to use your cellphone as a cellphone later) would be replacing the antenna with a dummy load.
xyzzy123|7 months ago
I would say that the underlying issue is that people do not really "own" their devices and the corporations that do are vulnerable to (or complicit in) state coercion.
You cannot truly have freedom on a non-free device, you can just be small enough to not be worth taking action against yet.
synctext|7 months ago
For a more extensive discussion on censorship resilient mesh networking, see IETF Internet Standard draft from 2012 [1]. After the Arab Spring there was global hope. Great to see revival of this topic today. Mesh networking is 1990s. The lesson from decades ago was that mesh networking can't be the killer use-case. Users need a reason to install this and allow it to drain the battery while looking for nearby nodes. Mesh networking never broke through the glass ceiling.
Blocking apps is real. Even Amazon killed a side-loaded app [2].
[1] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-pouwelse-censorfree-sc...
[2] https://torrentfreak.com/amazon-remote-disables-piracy-apps-...
thenthenthen|7 months ago
ChicagoBoy11|7 months ago
al_borland|7 months ago
If there is a low density area between two people, a message could take a long time to show up. A message from NYC to LA is effectively relying on the messaging being cached on a phone in NYC, that person flying to LA, and then continuing the journey.
teiferer|7 months ago
thekid314|7 months ago
Wireless internet is getting better, but when you really need something like this, you really need it.
torpid|7 months ago
ijustlovemath|7 months ago
immibis|7 months ago
On a Pinephone you can turn it off with a physical power switch.
If you really wanted to, on most other phones you could desolder it and throw it in the garbage. You'd need to already have custom firmware on the main CPU (or should I say "application processor" to fit in with the people who say "baseband processor") so it wouldn't crash or lock up when booting.
A little bit less destructive (in case you want to use your cellphone as a cellphone later) would be replacing the antenna with a dummy load.
zikduruqe|7 months ago