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ranie93 | 7 months ago

Tangential: I have similar thoughts about Jira. The ticket-fication of organizational goals. At least it would be useful to pen any negative repercussions of this

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graypegg|7 months ago

I know it’s trite to just say “you aren’t holding it right!” when it comes to JIRA, but I do think there’s a sensible tool underneath layers of self-inflicted pain. (Self = Atlassian and its users)

User stories, when they’re actually a real problem a real user would need solved, are fine. If you start there, and figuring out how to solve that problem is open to anyone on the team, and you keep the complexity to a minimum (aka, just todo/inprogress/done statuses, and you only try to solve the problem in the story) it’s totally cromulent…

…for start ups who need to ship yesterday and have money to burn.

So IMO not like, the best way to do work, but to do something as fast as possible with people motivated by the problems you’re solving, I like it.

marcosdumay|7 months ago

> User stories, when they’re actually a real problem a real user would need solved, are fine.

Some times. Other times they are detrimental, you need an algebra of composable operations up-front and any abstraction you put on the process of designing those will make people design a broken UX.

User stories are useful mostly for "flux-based" applications where the user has little freedom.