Pretty incredible that now Next.js, Svelte/kit and Nuxt will be under Vercel.
This could be a great thing as now all of these devs are much better supported in their work, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that this situation makes me quite nervous.
That’s awful. Vercel has pretty much a monopoly on the hybrid framework space now, and it’s going to ruin everything. NEVER did a monopoly do any good to anyone but its holder.
Props to Vercel, I guess. Enjoy your champagne. Increased the share holder value, job well done! Clap, clap.
there's lots to say here, but from my point of view, Vercel's backing Nuxt largely _because_ of our open vision.
our open approach isn't an optional extra. it's a core value we all share on the team - and indeed, I think, is as close to a core value of the web as I know.
we've pioneered cross-framework adapters and the provider pattern in all we build and there is no way we are changing direction or vision.
nuxt remains an independent framework, like svelte. the fact that a number of us on the team are employed to work full time on OSS is _great_ news for OSS sustainability.
I hope so! The Nuxt adapters and provider pattern are amazing! Its truly impressive how well done it all is and how portable Nuxt is and how other projects have been able to use a lot of the same OSS tech you've created to get portability from the jump.
The portability story for Vercel's own Nextjs is a disaster.
That's nice in theory, but what happens when the inevitable comes and Vercel's grubby little VC hands start squeezing their yoke in order to extract money out of the ecosystem? They're on their Series E last time I checked, that's a lot of VCs who are going to want to cash in on things sooner rather than later.
Enshittification is inevitable when VC is involved in any way whatsoever, so this doesn't strike me as a good thing. I can already see the future where we're getting convoluted features no one ever asked for for the sole reason of inflating Vercel's hosting costs, as was and is the case with Next and how they completely took over React to the point that even the official React docs mention Next before any alternative like Vite. Hell, knowing the VC playbook, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year's time they decide to shutter Nuxt completely and force everyone to move into the abomination that is Next.
This isn't a swipe against you guys, I'm thrilled to see OS devs like you who truly deserve all the success in the world get that success, I'm just not convinced that a VC-funded company with a dubious history & track record monopolizing the entire frontend framework landscape is a good thing. Thankfully Evan seems to still be independent and as such Vue will continue being independent, but it's a bit worrying that it's basically the only one.
I know Nuxt is not Vue itself, and I'm not saying Vue is no longer independent — but I do think it's worth remembering that independence is something highly valued in the Vue community.
Wouldn’t Void 0 contradict that statement? It’s more oriented towards lower-level infrastructure though (Vite, Oxc and other tooling), but it extending to support Vue wouldn’t be a surprising move if it became necessary.
As someone that's been saying Vercel should be avoided for years now, it's nice to finally start seeing more hesitation from others.
They now, to varying degrees, directly employ core maintainers for Svelte, SvelteKit, React, Next, and now Nuxt. This is a very clear systematic overtaking of the web ecosystem. They're a private business, so these moves must be in the interest of increasing profits. It's not just out of the goodness of their hearts.
It's somewhat unfortunate that technical and business-savvy people would both, in my experience, disregard a study saying tobacco is good if it's funded by RJR, and be excited about a giant tech company employing core maintainers for the majority of new web-related software projects. Yes, they're open source projects that you can fork. But if Vercel has influence in the direction of these projects (and of course they do) it should give people much more hesitation to use them than it seems to.
At this point, using any of the technologies that Vercel has its hands in tells me that whatever uses it - a business, project, whatever - doesn't plan to function in five years.
Given that Vercel was founded 10 years ago, and they sell services for money, and then take that money and use that to pay people to work on various technologies; why would that make it less likely to be around in 5 years vs a person who isn't getting paid and is doing an open source project with no visual means of support? How do their bills get paid?
I'll admit that I'm skeptical and that I'd generally prefer less centralization. I love what Nuxt has done with Nitro, for example, and it being compatible with "all" hosting providers. Compare that to Next, which is "best on Vercel". Also see TurboPack, which seems to be effectively exclusive to Next.
That said, I can only imagine how incredibly freeing it must be to not have to worry about funding, so I couldn't blame them in the slightest. I really with them the best and hope Nuxt continues to be great. Looking forward to v4 soon!
Honestly, this is terrible news. A number of the core team of Nuxt.js are joining Vercel and NuxtLabs itself is acquired by Vercel.
I choose Nuxt.js and Nuxt UI Pro specifically because they aren't Vercel products. I built two SAAS MVPs over the last year based on this, now I'll have to wait and see what Vercel (their competitor) wants to do with it.
You've expressed my thoughts to a tee. I will start exploring Astro and see what the migration process is like. Many devs questioned my usage of Nuxt over Astro to begin with, so this is a good opportunity to learn.
Vercel isn't a competitor to Nuxt. Vercel benefits from allowing any frontend framework to be deployed on their service.
All you have to look at is Svelte, which Vercel hired all the developer of, and that turned out to be a great thing. Svelte and SvelteKit are better than ever and nothing they have done since has shown to be forced by Vercel.
Nuxt has always been a strange tool that doesn’t really fit well into any good use case, unless your only experience is Vue and Nuxt.
Hard to see the real reason for Vercel to do this. The pessimist in me wonders if perhaps they are hoping to influence how Vue is developed in the same way they now influence how React is developed after hiring several React team members.
But even that doesn’t seem that likely considering the relatively tiny Vue market share and microscopic still Nuxt market share.
I also consider its “community” to be a strange place too. It’s on Discord, and a couple of years ago common internet abbreviations were considered ban worthy rule-breaking offences.
Even the word “lmao” would get you an instant warning from a bot. The framework itself and its oddball community were enough poor experiences for me to stop using it pretty quickly.
If you want an SPA just use Vue's official router. It's getting better now thanks to Eduardo working on file-based router, data loaders, Pinia colada, etc.
If you want a static site or MPA, Astro really seems like a better choice than Nuxt.
> Hard to see the real reason for Vercel to do this.
Next supremacy is very obvious
Kills all those Linkedin threads about moving away from Next. Kills the indecision for what employment-seeking devs need to optimize for. Makes those job descriptions less all over the place and even more Next focused
I'm baffled by the doom-and-gloom reactions here.
Nuxt remains what it's always been: the best convention-over-configuration framework in existence. It's built on Vue which is opinionated as hell, and you get all the benefits of that.
The "vendor lock-in" concerns are frankly overblown. At the end of the day Nuxt produces artifacts you can deploy anywhere - AWS, Cloudflare, your own infrastructure, or yes, Vercel.
The alternatives (underfunded OSS maintainers burning out) are way worse than having a well-funded team with aligned incentives. If anything this validates that Nuxt is valuable enough for a major platform company to invest in.
I'll take that over watching great tools die from lack of resources.
Everything you say is now subject to change due to strategic decisions by a single entity that owns almost all horses in the race. The things you take for granted now can disappear tomorrow, no matter how many times they pinky promise not to.
Nuxt is great, but Chromium is great too. Yet, Google has become the driving force behind changes to the web platform, for better or worse. That’s not a desirable situation, and certainly not the only one: it’s not like there’s only a single company out there able to fund open source software. I desperately hope we, collectively, will figure out a better financing model in the future.
joshdavham|7 months ago
This could be a great thing as now all of these devs are much better supported in their work, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that this situation makes me quite nervous.
9dev|7 months ago
Props to Vercel, I guess. Enjoy your champagne. Increased the share holder value, job well done! Clap, clap.
softfalcon|7 months ago
Tale as old as… well, the 60’s… but still, it’s an old tale.
verdverm|7 months ago
danielroe|7 months ago
there's lots to say here, but from my point of view, Vercel's backing Nuxt largely _because_ of our open vision.
our open approach isn't an optional extra. it's a core value we all share on the team - and indeed, I think, is as close to a core value of the web as I know.
we've pioneered cross-framework adapters and the provider pattern in all we build and there is no way we are changing direction or vision.
nuxt remains an independent framework, like svelte. the fact that a number of us on the team are employed to work full time on OSS is _great_ news for OSS sustainability.
toddmorey|7 months ago
The portability story for Vercel's own Nextjs is a disaster.
eclipxe|7 months ago
sensanaty|7 months ago
Enshittification is inevitable when VC is involved in any way whatsoever, so this doesn't strike me as a good thing. I can already see the future where we're getting convoluted features no one ever asked for for the sole reason of inflating Vercel's hosting costs, as was and is the case with Next and how they completely took over React to the point that even the official React docs mention Next before any alternative like Vite. Hell, knowing the VC playbook, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year's time they decide to shutter Nuxt completely and force everyone to move into the abomination that is Next.
This isn't a swipe against you guys, I'm thrilled to see OS devs like you who truly deserve all the success in the world get that success, I'm just not convinced that a VC-funded company with a dubious history & track record monopolizing the entire frontend framework landscape is a good thing. Thankfully Evan seems to still be independent and as such Vue will continue being independent, but it's a bit worrying that it's basically the only one.
ayhanfuat|7 months ago
I know Nuxt is not Vue itself, and I'm not saying Vue is no longer independent — but I do think it's worth remembering that independence is something highly valued in the Vue community.
franky47|7 months ago
harrisi|7 months ago
They now, to varying degrees, directly employ core maintainers for Svelte, SvelteKit, React, Next, and now Nuxt. This is a very clear systematic overtaking of the web ecosystem. They're a private business, so these moves must be in the interest of increasing profits. It's not just out of the goodness of their hearts.
It's somewhat unfortunate that technical and business-savvy people would both, in my experience, disregard a study saying tobacco is good if it's funded by RJR, and be excited about a giant tech company employing core maintainers for the majority of new web-related software projects. Yes, they're open source projects that you can fork. But if Vercel has influence in the direction of these projects (and of course they do) it should give people much more hesitation to use them than it seems to.
At this point, using any of the technologies that Vercel has its hands in tells me that whatever uses it - a business, project, whatever - doesn't plan to function in five years.
fragmede|7 months ago
esher|7 months ago
As also seen here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44500544
mirzap|7 months ago
meekaaku|7 months ago
BOOKHOUSEUK|7 months ago
Cu3PO42|7 months ago
That said, I can only imagine how incredibly freeing it must be to not have to worry about funding, so I couldn't blame them in the slightest. I really with them the best and hope Nuxt continues to be great. Looking forward to v4 soon!
sakesun|7 months ago
aosaigh|7 months ago
I choose Nuxt.js and Nuxt UI Pro specifically because they aren't Vercel products. I built two SAAS MVPs over the last year based on this, now I'll have to wait and see what Vercel (their competitor) wants to do with it.
kelthuzad|7 months ago
impulser_|7 months ago
All you have to look at is Svelte, which Vercel hired all the developer of, and that turned out to be a great thing. Svelte and SvelteKit are better than ever and nothing they have done since has shown to be forced by Vercel.
unknown|7 months ago
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MortyWaves|7 months ago
Hard to see the real reason for Vercel to do this. The pessimist in me wonders if perhaps they are hoping to influence how Vue is developed in the same way they now influence how React is developed after hiring several React team members.
But even that doesn’t seem that likely considering the relatively tiny Vue market share and microscopic still Nuxt market share.
I also consider its “community” to be a strange place too. It’s on Discord, and a couple of years ago common internet abbreviations were considered ban worthy rule-breaking offences.
Even the word “lmao” would get you an instant warning from a bot. The framework itself and its oddball community were enough poor experiences for me to stop using it pretty quickly.
pier25|7 months ago
I agree.
If you want an SPA just use Vue's official router. It's getting better now thanks to Eduardo working on file-based router, data loaders, Pinia colada, etc.
If you want a static site or MPA, Astro really seems like a better choice than Nuxt.
https://uvr.esm.is/
https://pinia-colada.esm.dev/
threetonesun|7 months ago
_bent|7 months ago
yieldcrv|7 months ago
Next supremacy is very obvious
Kills all those Linkedin threads about moving away from Next. Kills the indecision for what employment-seeking devs need to optimize for. Makes those job descriptions less all over the place and even more Next focused
eclipxe|7 months ago
etchalon|7 months ago
Nuxt is the only "out-of-box-everything-works" framework for Vue.
So yes, if you use Vue, you use Nuxt.
strickjb9|7 months ago
9dev|7 months ago
Nuxt is great, but Chromium is great too. Yet, Google has become the driving force behind changes to the web platform, for better or worse. That’s not a desirable situation, and certainly not the only one: it’s not like there’s only a single company out there able to fund open source software. I desperately hope we, collectively, will figure out a better financing model in the future.
etchalon|7 months ago
NuxtLabs was doing great work building out support for Cloudflare, making it a viable alternative to Vercel.
Now, I'm sure all that work will get dropped and we'll be stuck with only Vercel being a first-class host for Nuxt-based applications.
blinky88|7 months ago
AbraKdabra|7 months ago
verdverm|7 months ago
eclipxe|7 months ago
v5v3|7 months ago
So now Nuxt joins Next in the never to use pile.