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nimish | 7 months ago

Why would anyone develop AI models in the EU? You have a lot of compliance requirements and there's fewer enterprises that will pay for them

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TeMPOraL|7 months ago

Because an AI model developed in the EU will, by design, be compliant with EU data and AI regulations from day one, which makes it a strong selling point for companies looking to launch AI-powered products on the EU market?

Yes, regulatory compliance is a significant concern for software product design in the EU these days. But that's a good thing - it stops a lot of hare-brained ideas and abusive business models at the drafting phase. Also, from my own observation, the rules seem annoying at first, because they tend to shut down the most exciting ideas - but after a while you notice that this is because those ideas come with bad failure modes and bad second-order effects, and regulations are forcing you to actually consider them.

miohtama|7 months ago

Maybe for businesses like governments.

But EU citizens want good AI models, not EU approved models, and people can use VPN. Because regulatory process kills fast moving business and whatever is rubber stamped by EU bureaucracts and compliance-industrial complex law firms sucking out money by selling snake oil compliance services is already few years behind.

Would you buy a three years old car as a new?

FirmwareBurner|7 months ago

I'm guessing that due to regulations, the only AIs you'll be allowed to use in the EU will be the EU developed ones that fulfill the requirements, so there's a captive market right there for local companies.

Granted, they'll probably end up performing worse than US or Chinese ones operating without restrictions and being uncompetitive on the global free market, but when did EU leaders ever think about long term consequences? Certainly not when they tied their economy to Russian gas and banned nuclear, certainly not when they prioritized toxic diesel engines over gasoline, certainly not when they demilitarized or when they ceded tech innovation to US and China, but for once this will be the right call, I can feel it, this will bring EU to the forefront of tech supremacy.

roguecoder|7 months ago

Why would you assume they would end up performing worse?

I have yet to see a company that prioritized quality over profits, unless forced to by regulation.

MattPalmer1086|7 months ago

Maybe they aren't looking for tech supremacy, and prefer tech that doesn't harm their citizens?

pjmlp|7 months ago

Globalisation is over, and the way wars are going on, lets see what gets left of the planet to save, if at all.

politelemon|7 months ago

A factor that goes into that decision is the now inherent unreliability of relying on entities in the US as a partner. For some situations it's safer to do it in the EU despite the regulations.

Alupis|7 months ago

> the now inherent unreliability

What "unreliability" are you talking about in terms of American tech businesses?

> For some situations it's safer to do it in the EU despite the regulations

The EU has zero tech companies that rival FAANG et al here in the US. Zero. Because of it's (well-intentioned but harmful) business regulations.

I have a feeling you're projecting your dissatisfaction with election results more than anything tangible...

tormeh|7 months ago

The fact of the matter is that of the voters who care about AI, the most vocal ones vehemently oppose it. Sabotaging AI development is a feature, not a bug. This regulation might well be an attempt at appeasing the faction that wants to ban LLMs in the EU entirely.

TacticalCoder|7 months ago

> Why would anyone develop AI models in the EU?

Not just AI models. The EU only leads in regulations and nothing else and it shows: since 2008 both China and the US have experienced insane GDP growth while the EU has been totally stagnant (inflation adjusted).

I don't think people realize at which speed the EU is falling into oblivion. It's really horrible to witness from inside the EU. Cities are poorer and poorer, high-trust societies are becoming low-trust ones due to rising (imported) poverty and crimes. Cities that used to be beautiful cities now see weekly kidnapping (Paris) and AK47s are fired in Brussels on a weekly basis.

But we should all applaud because AI is going to be regulated and because we're going to be green. Go EU, yay!

Meanwhile people in the EU don't even want to have kids anymore: I honestly have got a hard time figuring out why young people in the EU would even want kids seen the overall atmosphere reigning here now.

So while India, Brazil, China, the US, and many other countries are still going to see growth, I fully expect the EU to keep shooting itself in the foot (like it did with its car industry, destroying it with regulations and handing over the EU EV car market to China).

Those who can do do, losers who cannot do regulate.