[isusmelj]

I hope they do well. AFAIK they’re training or finetuning an older LLaMA model, so performance might lag behind SOTA. But what really matters is that ETH and EPFL get hands-on experience training at scale. From what I’ve heard, the new AI cluster still has teething problems. A lot of people underestimate how tough it is to train models at this scale, especially on your own infra.

Disclaimer: I’m Swiss and studied at ETH. We’ve got the brainpower, but not much large-scale training experience yet. And IMHO, a lot of the “magic” in LLMs is infrastructure-driven.

[lllllm]

No, the model has nothing do to with Llama. We are using our own architecture, and training from scratch. Llama also does not have open training data, and is non-compliant, in contrast to this model.

Source: I'm part of the training team

[danielhanchen]

If you guys need help on GGUFs + Unsloth dynamic quants + finetuning support via Unsloth https://github.com/unslothai/unsloth on day 0 / 1, more than happy to help :)

[d3m0t3p]

Hey, really cool project, I’m excited to see the outcome. Is there a blog / paper summarizing how you are doing it ? Also which research group is currently working on it at eth ?

[moffkalast]

L3 has open pretraining data, it's just not official for obvious legal reasons: https://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceFW/fineweb

[Al-Khwarizmi]

So you're not going to use copyrighted data for training? That's going to be a disadvantage with respect to LLaMa and other well-known models, it's an open secret that everyone is using everything they can get their hands on.

Good luck though, very needed project!

[isusmelj]

Thanks for clarifying! I wish you all the best luck!

[blurbleblurble]

Are you using dbpedia?

[andy99]

Imo, a lot of the magic is also dataset driven, specifically the SFT and other fine tuning / RLHF data they have. That's what has separated the models people actually use from the also-rans.

I agree with everything you say about getting the experience, the infrastructure is very important and is probably the most critical part of a sovereign LLM supply chain. I would hope there will also be enough focus on the data, early on, that the model will be useful.

[luke-stanley]

When I read "from scratch", I assume they are doing pre-training, not just finetuning, do you have a different take? Do you mean it's normal Llama architecture they're using? I'm curious about the benchmarks!

[alfalfasprout]

The infra does become pretty complex to get a SOTA LLM trained. People assume it's as simple as loading up the architecture and a dataset + using something like Ray. There's a lot that goes into designing the dataset, the eval pipelines, the training approach, maximizing the use of your hardware, dealing with cross-node latency, recovering from errors, etc.

But it's good to have more and more players in this space.

[asjir]

I'd be more concerned about the size used being 70b (deepseek r1 has 671b) which makes catching up with SOTA kinda more difficult to begin with.

[zettabomb]

SOTA performance is relative to model size. If it performs better than other models in the 70B range (e.g. Llama 3.3) then it could be quite useful. Not everyone has the VRAM to run the full fat Deepseek R1.