[chgs]

If the Supreme Court agrees they are constitutional then they clearly are constitutional, unless you think the constitution doesn’t apply

[tyre]

The Supreme Court considered internment camps and segregation constitutional, until it didn’t.

There are also people who disagree with the Supreme Court’s interpretations. Including members of the Supreme Court! Both current (dissents) and not (overturning past rulings.)

[shadowfacts]

> The Constitution of the United States was a layman's document, not a lawyer's contract. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/address-constituti...

The Supreme Court is not the ultimate decider of what the layman's document means. It was wrong when it decided, for instance, Plessy v. Ferguson. The law that the Court upheld patently violated the Fourteenth Amendment and was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court was simply wrong.

[Hnrobert42]

It can both be wrong and the ultimate decider.

[dewyatt]

We've drifted pretty far from the Constitution and what the Founders envisioned.

The reinterpretation of the Commerce Clause was the start of a downward spiral.

I'm hoping the Convention of States will succeed and fix this, even if it means rebuilding many institutions at the State level.

[anondude24]

> I'm hoping the Convention of States will succeed and fix this, even if it means rebuilding many institutions at the State level.

Amendments proposed by a convention would still need to be ratified by 38 states. That's a pretty high bar for what you're suggesting.

[hollerith]

>the Convention of States

when will that happen?

[soulofmischief]

Let's not pretend that the current federal government isn't completely compromised.

[cocacola1]

Not really. The Supreme Court believes some rulings to be wrong the day they were decided:

> “The dissent’s reference to Korematsu, however, affords this Court the opportunity to make express what is already obvious: *Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided*, has been overruled in the court of history, and to be clear ‘has no place in law under the Constitution,’” Roberts said, quoting Justice Jackson’s 1944 dissent.

[DangitBobby]

If Mommy says I can't eat carrots because they are bad for me, I have to listen to her. But I don't have to listen to her because she's right, it's because she's mommy.

[soulofmischief]

The fact that some people model the government as patriarchal or matriarchal is one of our biggest issues today, because under that model we accept that all sorts of moralist values must be legislated, and we patronize the hell out of our citizenry, and it really defeats the entire point of the Constitution.

[AngryData]

Quiet frankly I don't give a shit what a judge says is constitutional when they are acting in direct opposition to the stated goals of the constitution and I don't think anybody else should either. I believe the Founding Fathers both expected and wanted people to stand up in defiance against legal rulings and laws that many find unjust, even to the point of violence after some time. The Constitution starts with "We the People", which means if the people don't agree then the judges are wrong and should be opposed in every aspect.

The US legal system has gone out of control and it is getting to the point where people need to defy the law as a matter of principle and fight for their rights. The preamble of the constitution is pretty clear in its general goals, and working against the people's will, restricting the peoples rights, committing what the people believe are injustices, and causing social turmoil among them, are all blatantly opposed.

[soulofmischief]

And this is compounded by the efforts of multi-generational corporate brainwashing to the tune of trillions of dollars. A critical threshold of people are compromised and this is then used as proof that the "will of the people" is uncontested authoritarian fascism.