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cddotdotslash | 7 months ago

https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/issues/192

I don't know if this style of... discussion is something the Cluely team made popular recently, or if it took off sooner, but I really hope it doesn't catch on further.

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oefrha|7 months ago

Assholes online were not “made popular recently”.

Gotta love seeing a code of conduct:

> We as members, contributors, and leaders pledge to make participation in our community a harassment-free experience for everyone

And down in Enforcement (emphasis mine):

> Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported to the community leaders responsible for enforcement at [INSERT CONTACT METHOD]. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated promptly and fairly.

What’s the point of this dance when you can’t bother to fill out the contact.

recursive|7 months ago

I had to add a COC in order to qualify for open source hosting tier on netlify.

worthless-trash|7 months ago

Because the code of conduct is ONLY ever intended to be used as a sword, not as a shield.

jchw|7 months ago

Honestly, how many projects with "Code of Conducts" actually use or follow them? Maybe if you're a big CNCF project or something like that, but the average GitHub project just adds one because GitHub told them to. If they were actually more about enforcing community standards and not about social signaling they'd probably just be called "contributing rules" or something boring and nondescript like how Internet rules always have been.

In other words, the point of this dance is to check a box. I mean literally, GitHub will check a box in Insights -> Community Standards when you add one.

mrln|7 months ago

Probably because it is AI slop and no one ever read that...

lucideer|7 months ago

Did anyone read that linked thread in full? There's no "style of discussion" there, there's a lot of people engaging in a very normal, constructive discussion, which is being interupted by a single disruptive commenter (Zaid).

Nothing there seems to reflect poorly on the project as far as I can tell?

lpln3452|7 months ago

"A single disruptive commenter (Zaid)" And he is one of the top contributors. That doesn't quite fit the narrative that it was just some weirdo interfering.

l0gicpath|7 months ago

What’s Cluely? While I can google and find out I just wanted to reflect how irrelevant that name actually is for a large portion of the internet.

Flamewars, internet jerks and online bullying has been around since irc. If not longer.

imo looking at the thread, I see a bunch of people throwing a few strongly worded comments at each other in a typical heated discussion online.

We used to call this flamewars.

no_time|7 months ago

Telling someone to fuck off for coming at a for fun OSS project with a trademark claim is completely reasonable.

Uehreka|7 months ago

If it was a more legit trademark claim that would be one thing, a lot of OSS people think you can just name your project after something popular so you can coast off the reputation of the more popular product.

But since this is a BS claim, I think the following approach is totally appropriate:

- Have one person post the antagonistic garbage the OP deserves

- Have another person play the “rear guard” and follow up with the actual legal reasons they won’t comply.

gruez|7 months ago

Why? OSS projects aren't somehow exempt from trademark law, and at the very least can have its repo taken down. The trademark in this case might not be airtight, but that's a separate issue.

edoceo|7 months ago

That thread is trash.

If anyone is looking for tips on what to NOT do, it's a gold mine.

Imustaskforhelp|7 months ago

You are mentioning as to what Zaid did, right?

dqv|7 months ago

> I really hope it doesn't catch on further

It already has.

It is the late teens/young twenties online communication style. Generally pretty aggressive, but easy to ignore because they are usually not really saying anything of substance. They are "ragebaiting" you.

gorbachev|7 months ago

Flamewars were a thing long, long ago. They somewhat stopped being a thing when BBSes and Usenet died.

yellow_lead|7 months ago

It's a small time contributor making those comments, not the maintainer.

prmoustache|7 months ago

Who knows, maybe he is just the childish persona of the maintainer. It is rare to use more than one in a specific project but a lot of people maintain more than one persona online.

zipping1549|7 months ago

Huge red flag. I doubt actual good product is coming out from a person with that much attitude on anywhere, let alone their project's issues...

NackerHughes|7 months ago

Let me introduce you to OpenCart, an open source eCommerce platform in use on hundreds of thousands of websites handling customer payments, recently struck a multi-million dollar deal with PayPal, and whose founder and practically sole developer responds to bug reports and CVEs with careful, well-thought-out replies like "JUST FUCK OFF!":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7526498 https://archive.is/9bHTi (archived version of github issue linked in above thread) https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/24/opencart_vulnerabilit... https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947#issuecomme...

Aurornis|7 months ago

Hard to tell who’s who, but the Zaid person who claims to be a maintainer is apparently not a maintainer. He contributed some small changes and started claiming to be a maintainer.

gregjw|7 months ago

yeah, people have attitude problems recently