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cynicalpeace | 7 months ago

When people ask "how do we fix our government?"

I answer "Did you try turning it off and on again?"

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hyperion2010|7 months ago

Implicitly assuming that there is some well defined state that can be recovered when turning it back on. That's not how the real world works, and historically what revolutionaries fail to fully realize is that the trajectory out of a period without government is extremely unlikely to wind up in the state that they desire, much less one that was "stored" or "defined" by a set of per-existing laws.

cynicalpeace|7 months ago

true- the only "revolution" that I'm familiar with that was mostly successful is the American Revolution and even that is probably a misnomer.

Rather than a call for revolution, my comment was a joke- given the technical bent of this forum.

Because turning things off/on again actually works for so many bugs lol

If we could actually do it- it would actually look something like idealized DOGE. Terminate all contracts. Fire everyone minus the absolutely essential employees. Or at least the employees that can't even send an email (minus NOCs?)

Then slowly build back until it needs to be done over again.

This contract seems like another grift. Hopefully I'm wrong.

treetalker|7 months ago

There's more than a grain of truth here.

I think we're in a Gall's Law situation.

The system has evolved to extreme complexity and no longer works as intended because people learned to game the system, which keeps the best people for the job out of the system; emasculates the essential checks and balances; and creates a vicious cycle that adds further complexity and races to the bottom.

The (likely) only way to fix things is to treat our history to date as a rough draft and to start over with simple systems that work, evolving only as necessary.

FredPret|7 months ago

There's no simple system that will work on the scale of half a continent and 300M people, and a simple way to prove this is to look at large corporations. There's many of them, they compete with one another tooth and nail, (so there's real pressure to simplify and streamline) and they all suffer from complex internal systems. And they are all dwarfed by the US government.