[zenapollo]

> isn't room for doing it arbitrarily as from my perspective it is a suboptimal strategy towards accomplishing one's goals.

One’s goals? And if my goal were to enslave a nation of people to enrich myself and maintain power for as long as possible?

> I am not interested in making an emotional argument. I would be willing to hold my belief regardless of what a system is made up of.

You cannot discuss governance and civilization design without emotional arguments - i mean i guess you can you can if you lean psychopathic. I don’t mean to name call so please correct my assumptions here what you mean.

Closed societies are tolerable in theory - but in theory people should be able to opt-in or opt-out. If they aren’t free to opt-out such as with a national closed society it’s not civilization, it’s slavery.