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sschnei8 | 7 months ago

You can “stand up for users and the integrity of the product” without telling someone to SHUT THE FUCK UP

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_101|7 months ago

You’re generalizing expectations for an average human and trying to apply it to an human with extraordinary responsibilities.

It takes an incredibly strong hand to lead a team whose product is the operating system of most of the Internet.

Do you think Jobs, Bezos, or Gates would say, “Hey guy. I respect you, man, and you write great code. I think we should work together to solve this. Are you cool with that? Maybe we can grab a latte.”

No, they didn’t do that shit.

Pretending you’re their HR manager and get to tell them what’s acceptable doesn’t make you equal or better than them. People have faults, but you can’t get on your high horse picking on them when you’re using their shit everyday.

komali2|7 months ago

This is a toxic masculinity form of mythology that ignores reams of historical evidence of effective ways of leading people.

If you want a good bibliography, check out the sources of any Dale Carnegie book. He went through letters, journals, biographies, and writings of leaders as far back as the ancient Greeks. His conclusion is the opposite of the one you're making here. The best leaders lift people up, not shout people down.

Others here discuss absurdities like drill instructors. None of us work on a battlefield, none of us are in life or death situations here.

We're talking about leading people in labor. It's basically a solved problem, but for some reason people keep needing to debate the effectiveness of "tough love" approaches. It baffles me.