[Vektorceraptor]

And the problem with this whole discussion is that I'm not necessarily trying to defend conservatives, but rather to confront progressives with a reality that might, hopefully, prompt some self-reflection. But any criticism of progressives is immediately projected onto conservatives, making genuine self-awareness impossible. And as long as progressives show no forbearance toward conservatives, conservatives will make them pay for it politically. I can't understand why this is ignored, especially in academia. It's completely beyond me how the free West has turned into this ideological hell — in just 30 years. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11098838-oligarchies-throug...

[jaybrendansmith]

I appreciate the perspective, but it's hard to both sides this one. Progressives come from a place where good faith arguments are expected (and - no question - foolish). The current MAGA right comes from a place where they would siphon the gas from your car and use it to burn down your house.

[lostmsu]

Remarkably, you did what gp complained about immediately after "I appreciate the perspective".