[bantunes]

We've made a decision: we prefer to continue having this world (and all its conveniences including steak multiple times a week and flying for cheap) and lose it soon-ish than move to another one right now with less access to... stuff.

And the only way we can have it differently is with violence, which nobody wants. So we'll walk to the abyss together.

[scottLobster]

We already have insane and growing wealth inequality and stagnant wage growth. The one thing that somewhat compensated for it is cheap goods, taking that away is not a winning argument in this environment. It's also a hard sell when Jeff Bezos has a wedding in Italy where dozens of private jets flew in and collectively emitted more carbon for that one wedding than all the gasoline vehicles multiple generations of my family have driven in their lifetimes.

And yet I, with my already depressed wages and kids to feed, should sacrifice steak and coach airline tickets?

I'm all for climate action, but it has to be policy level. If it's a choice between a warming world where we're solvent with some middle class prosperity, and a warming world where my wife, kids and I are broke because we went into six figures of debt replacing our ICE cars with EVs and retrofitting my house to passivhaus stanadards, I'm taking the former.

[yongjik]

God, Jeff Bezos's jet is such an inane distraction that I can't believe people are still falling for this. If you're upset about Bezos's CO2 footprint, the very easy way to fix it is to tax the rich more.

And then we can use the money for EV credits, more wind farms, and other initiatives. Hell, if you're really against climate policies, we could simply burn the money and at least that could help fighting inflation.

There is one party in the US that constantly shoots down climate policies. Guess what they also do to Jeff Bezos's tax. Somehow that doesn't bother all those "climate policy skeptics" that are deeply upset about his private jet.

[triceratops]

> I'm all for climate action, but it has to be policy level

Policy level climate action is the only kind that has any hope of succeeding. That or some magic technology that can suck carbon out of the air at zero cost.

[dmbche]

I believe the parent comment was speaking of violence as the answer, not EVs or veganism.

[intended]

We - depends on the definition.

If there is a structural force shifting the market places of ideas and decisions, forcing certain choices or protecting and harvesting voting blocs - it’s not “we” in the sense of personal choice.

I concede, that if we define corporations as an expression of human desires - then yes, “we” have made that decision.

[Earw0rm]

"but I worked really hard to EARN that steak. I'm not having some goddamn commie take it away from me."

"The rich declare themselves poor" - George Michael, Praying For Time, 1990.