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prometheus76 | 7 months ago

Ah yes. People who think like you and agree with you are rational, not prone to fear, disgust outrage, or protectiveness. But people who disagree with you are obviously irrational and can't be reasoned with. You are "educated" and they are "fear-mongers".

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bsder|7 months ago

> But people who disagree with you are obviously irrational and can't be reasoned with.

You are saying this with sarcasm, but it is a tautology.

If I am factually correct, by definition, everyone who disagrees with me is irrational and can't be reasoned with.

Anti-vax is a great example of this. We have loads and loads and loads of evidence of the harm that not being vaccinated can do (now including dead children thanks to measles) and very scant evidence to the contrary (there is some for specific vaccines for specific diseases like Polio). However, until it hits an anti-vaxxer personally, they simply will refuse to believe it.

Of course, once an anti-vaxxer personally gets a disease, NOW the anti-vaxxers want the vaccine. Thus, demonstrating simultaneously that they actually don't understand a single damn thing about vaccines and that their "anti-vaxx belief" was irrational as well.

thejohnconway|7 months ago

> If I am factually correct, by definition, everyone who disagrees with me is irrational and can't be reasoned with.

No, that doesn’t follow at all. Your arguments could be bad or irrational in themselves (right for the wrong reasons), and other people could hold beliefs logically follow from plausible, but wrong, premises.

unclad5968|7 months ago

Ignoring the strawman at the end, you're making their point for them.

Anti-vax is actually a horrible example of this because it can never be proven that vaccines don't harm us. Any non-infinite evidence will never reduce the probability to zero. You even allude to this point. If there is a single case of a harmful vaccine, or even a reasonable probability of one, then it isn't irrational to be cautious of vaccines. Just because the evidence is enough for you doesnt make anyone who disagrees irrational. That line of thinking just makes you irrational.

I say this as a fully vaccinated (including COVID) vaccine enjoyer.