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vosper | 7 months ago

> cloud-only tools like Jira.

But Jira is not cloud-only?

https://www.atlassian.com/enterprise/data-center

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magicalhippo|7 months ago

They've removed it from their pricing page now, but when they announced the discontinuation of the regular on-prem server the minimum for datacenter was like 500 licensed users or something along those lines.

In any case it was clear it's not for small shops like us.

That said, air-gapped is a hefty requirement, so perhaps those customers are predominantly large?

bpt3|7 months ago

It's still on this page: https://www.atlassian.com/enterprise/data-center/jira

$51k for the smallest license they offer.

I still run an old version on an air gapped network and will continue to do so until we're forced to change for some reason. It's not a hefty requirement; we run it for a team of < 10 developers on a small VM and it just works.

bigfatkitten|7 months ago

> That said, air-gapped is a hefty requirement, so perhaps those customers are predominantly large?

There are lots of very small classified networks out there with only a few dozen users.

There are a lot more user communities course that aren’t necessarily airgapped, but where they have special compliance requirements that pretty much mandate self hosting (or at least bring-your-own cloud.)

viharkurama|7 months ago

We took a different approach with Plane's air-gapped offering. No minimum user requirements at all. We evaluate based on your use case and domain requirements, not team size.

bowsamic|7 months ago

Atlassian actually threatened to sue our company if we didn't move from on-prem to cloud. I imagine they're doing the same to others

GabeIsko|7 months ago

There has historically been massive investor and shareholder pressure for companies to show "Cloud Recurring Revenue" and multiple wall street analysts will start issuing higher price points for your stock based on this, and eventually large institutional investor adjust their positions accordingly.

I like the cloud for a lot of reasons. But, making your software worse to make your stock price higher seems like a loser for everyone long term.

bpt3|7 months ago

It might as well be for the vast majority of companies, since I believe the smallest number of users you can buy support for is 500.

To be more specific, they killed off the legacy Jira Server and now only offer these enterprise versions of Jira and the rest of the suite if you won't move to the cloud.

jasondc|7 months ago

$$$$ Very expensive

thaack|7 months ago

Sure if you commit to a 500 user minimum.