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varbhat | 7 months ago

Until the time when Microsoft realises this and creates a privileged API just for Microsoft Recall so that It can see the screen.

Better switch to Linux. It's not perfect but I am sure that you will be fine using Linux(Unless you want to use Adobe Suite or Few Corporate applications which won't be used by many)

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pjc50|7 months ago

As mentioned at the bottom, there's another API, which is to flag the window as containing DRM'd content. Although I suppose there's not really anything to stop AI vendors doing copyright infringement if they want.

Almondsetat|7 months ago

If you flag your browser as DRM content then people won't be able to take screenshots, except maybe with the included browser utility

delusional|7 months ago

DRM'd content was never implemented out of fear of "copyright infringement" it was built to solidify corporate connections. Microsoft implements DRM mechanisms to incentivize copyright holders to provide better service on their platforms.

AI doesn't have less respect for Copyright than any other tech company. AI has less need for the corporate connections to those copyright holders.

This of course comes from the neoliberal philosophy where the only remedy you have is to withdraw service. We've gutted the actual rights of actual creatives.

ChocolateGod|7 months ago

Couldn't that negatively effect accessibility tools?

bobajeff|7 months ago

Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity. My suggestion is to stay on an older release as long as possible. If that isn't possible I would recommend keeping the computer turned off most of the time and only briefly using it for your purpose and try to keep from doing anything embarrassing or personal too much. Another thing that might help is calling up your local government and ask them to do something about this. You can also call Windows customer service up and let them know that you are displeased about what they've done and will not be recommending it to your friends as a result.

0x02f0bcd4|7 months ago

With windows 10 lifetime coming to an end, even though the Enterprise edition still going to be supported for some while, eventually the world will move on to Windows 11.

Unless someone breaks that cycle of Windows being the dominant OS.

smusamashah|7 months ago

Video games. Linux can play lots with Proton I have heard but not all.

johnisgood|7 months ago

I also recommend https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools to debloat your Windows 10-11.

Familiarity is not really a good reason against Linux, however. Just install a Linux distro that comes close in looks. What are these Linux distributions these days? Pop OS? Elementary OS? Most people are only using their browsers anyway.

phyzome|7 months ago

You're not "stuck" due to familiarity. That's a choice. A choice you're free to make, but still a choice.

ekianjo|7 months ago

> Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity

its a pain for most people at first but its never too late to do the switch.

glimshe|7 months ago

Or most professional audio applications...

louthy|7 months ago

Bitwig works on Linux, but the problem I had was that my pro-audio soundcard [1] didn’t have supported drivers and I couldn’t get the open source drivers to work. I tried switching to a Dante based solution: none of the Dante based apps worked, so I tried AES67 (open source Dante), still no joy — I just could not get my Dante/AES67 AD/DA converters (which attach to everything in my studio) to be ‘seen’ on Linux.

So after weeks trying to get a high-channel count I/O solution working, I gave in, I found the best thing to do was to just get a M4 Mac Mini for my audio/studio work. And leave Linux for everything else. I was setup within an hour on macOS.

There’s unfortunately still too much resistance and it can cost $1000s trying to get to a working solution or ultimately in my case: a non-working solution. It cost me about $6000 trying various options — not all wasted, but still, not cheap to find out that nothing works.

[1] https://rme-audio.de/hdspe-madi-fx.html

Root_Denied|7 months ago

CAD software options are severely lacking as well. There's an unofficial snap package for Fusion360 but it's hit or miss depending on the distro, the day of the week, the weather, and whether Oracle's stock price is a prime number.

wltr|7 months ago

Which are on macOS

bitexploder|7 months ago

You have to opt in to Recall. You must have a “Copilot+ PC” which has an “NPU”. The snapshots are stored and processed locally.

falcor84|7 months ago

> The snapshots are stored and processed locally.

Even if that's the design, it's a massive new attack surface for malware to try to exfiltrate.

johncessna|7 months ago

Don't forget that Recall was initially on by default. It wasn't until users were like, WTF, did they make it off by default.

That will last for as long as it takes for the value of privacy and ownership erodes further and then it'll get switched back to on by default.

0x000xca0xfe|7 months ago

Even if processing and storage is local, it is just too damn easy to abuse the feature from remote.

Imagine how useful it would be for software vendors (Microsoft included): "We have implemented new feature X, how are our users interacting with it? Let's ask their Recall AI about it".

This could essentially become telemetry on steroids.

In the start telemetry was seen as outrageously user-hostile spying, too. Look where we are now. We are all frogs, at least Microsoft is banking on it.

sabellito|7 months ago

Opt in for now. Locally for now.

xyzal|7 months ago

Locally for how long? You know, all that data how you interact with a PC are just too tempting ...

axpvms|7 months ago

I have one of those PCs, but I have Linux running on it. Can I use the NPU for anything useful? It seems not at the moment (am using AMD)

999900000999|7 months ago

Linux is great if you're hardware is supported.

I've never been able to get Linux working right on one of my laptops, on another only rolling releases work.

These rolling releases like to break every 3 to 6 months.

Windows is much more stable on both laptops.

With my mini PC eGPU combo Linux just won't recognize the eGpu at all.

subjectsigma|7 months ago

Never post anything like this on HN, you will get a torrent of people A) trying to help, but not being very helpful B) telling you that you’re dumb C) telling you that you’re holding it wrong and that you need different software/hardware/preferences/etc.

I have had tons of grief with NVIDIA cards that work stellar on Windows and the answer I always get talking to Linux folks is “LOL NVIDIA? You’re an idiot for buying NVIDIA.”

My friends who daily drive Linux have accepted that I’m particularly cursed. Either that or they privately think I’m a moron. Regardless none of them seem to be able to explain my issues or help.

eYrKEC2|7 months ago

This was true for me until ~2014. I haven't had substantial hardware compatibility issues on Ubuntu since then. Sure, a few google searches for the right nvidia driver, but otherwise I've found Ubuntu to just work for many years.

dartharva|7 months ago

I might have one of the very rare cases where my laptop works much better with Linux than with Windows (both 10 and 11).

Both Wifi and Bluetooth doesn't work on a fresh Windows install, I have to physically connect a USB DVD player to install the drivers from the DVD that came with the package (in 2024! btw). On Linux everything just works out-of-the-box. Okay maybe not everything, I did have to patch my kernel for bluetooth drivers, but other than that it's a LOT smoother in every way than on Windows.

juujian|7 months ago

Obligatory "my experience diverges." Which manufacturers were those? New flagship devices or more established hardware?