[MurkyLabs]

I use grapheneOS, it's the reason I bought a pixel but not for nefarious reasons but rather I don't like how much control Google has (it's ironic I had to buy a google phone) on android phones even from other manufacturers and the targeted marketing and information that I would be giving out. I also don't like that Android implimented the feature where you couldn't access the Android>Data folder for 'security reasons' and have to plug it into a computer to access any of those sub folders, it's my phone let me do what I want with it. Graphene lets me access any of those folders without issue

[nicman23]

the fact that they refuse to consider other phones ie fairphone or nothing phones that have the bootloader relockable is the reason that i do not use graphene.

it seems like a great os but i am not giving google money to get away from google.

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Fairphone is dangerously insecure. Nothing phone is not much better.

It's not only the design of the hardware, but also patches for vulnerabilities and delivering updates for several years.

You're suggesting it's ideological (which is completely untrue), while the fact is: pixels are at the very moment the only Android hardware secure enough to even care about hardening: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

(there's little sense in securing the OS if the hardware doesn't allow disconnecting the USB or there is no secure element throttling PIN attempts, right?)

[StrLght]

They don't refuse other manufacturers, it's quite the opposite -- GrapheneOS provides list of requirements for future device support. AFAIK Fairphone and Nothing don't fit more than a few requirements from this list.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

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Oh, I forgot to add and can't edit my comment, so: they are talking with another OEM about the potential alternative hardware for the future GOS.

I hope it's something good. But in reality it's probably Samsung which is the only other vendor bothered enough to add a basic secure element. Maybe they will upgrade it?

[dmix]

You're welcome to donate money to them so they can hire developers who can support multiple phones.

[christophilus]

Swappa is your friend. A used pixel doesn’t directly give Google money.

[bdqioxnfkeof]

It's crazy that you care about privacy and buy a Google phone.

[microtonal]

Not sure what you are saying. In the Android space, only Pixels have a good secure element and Samsung has an acceptable secure element. Of those only Pixel allows unlocking the phone without blowing an eFuse. So, Pixel is currently the only phone that allows installing an alternative OS and provides a secure element.

Most phones without a separate secure element do not protect against brute-force PIN attacks, etc.

As is often said, the most secure phones are:

Pixel with GrapheneOS > iPhone >> Pixel with PixelOS >>>>>> anything else

[theandrewbailey]

> I don't like how much control Google has (it's ironic I had to buy a google phone) on android phones even from other manufacturers and the targeted marketing and information that I would be giving out.

To a normie non-tech person, buying a several hundred dollar Google phone, only to delete Google from it sounds stupid, like you've set your money on fire.

Yes, I recently bought a Pixel and immediately installed GrapheneOS.