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Neil Armstrong's customs form for moon rocks (2016)

295 points| ajuhasz | 7 months ago |magazine.uc.edu

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perihelions|7 months ago

These things were mainly publicity stunts. The supposed biohazard quarantine for returning Apollo astronauts was a theater performance, too.

https://www.livescience.com/space/the-moon/the-apollo-moon-l... ("The Apollo moon landing was real, but NASA's quarantine procedure was not")

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/science/nasa-moon-quarant... ("A review of archives suggests that efforts to protect Earth from contamination by any organism brought back from the lunar surface were mostly for show")

GCA10|7 months ago

My father was one of the scientific Principal Investigators (PIs) who analyzed the Apollo 11 lunar samples, back in 1969. Flipping through some of his notes from back then, it sounds as if a rotating assortment of bureaucrats injected themselves into the chain-of-custody with weird and embarrassing effects. To wit:

Some Agriculture Department folks decided that their legal authority to quarantine soil samples brought into the U.S. applied to lunar soils, too. They insisted on building a three-week quarantine facility with slivers of lunar samples, exposed to "germ-free mice born by cesarean section." Only after the mice survived this ordeal was it safe to release the fuller batch of samples.

Another character insisted that the aluminum rock boxes be sealed, while on the moon, with gaskets of indium (soft, rare metal) which would deform to create a very tight seal. The geochemists on earth protested, in vain, that this procedure would ruin their hopes of doing any indium analysis of the samples themselves, shutting down an interesting line of research. No luck in changing the protocol. Turns out that the indium seals didn't work, and the rock boxes reached the earth-based quarantine facilities with normal air pressure anyway.

There's more silliness about trying to keep the lunar samples in a hard vacuum while designing rigidly mounted gloves that could be used to manipulate/slice/divide the samples without breaking the vacuum. Maybe we know today how to sustain flexible gloves in such an environment. We didn't, back then.

cgriswald|7 months ago

The actual claims of the paper are not that this was 'for show', but that NASA considered the risks unlikely and prioritized the more likely risks to the astronauts lives. I see how the authors got to 'so it was all for show', but it simply isn't true.

There is plenty of evidence that the risk was taken seriously (regulations and treaties surrounding the issue, ICBC activities in the years prior to launch, the expense on things the public would never have known about, medical and biological testing done for the first three missions, NASA's openness with the ICBC about the imperfection of the system and the existence of contingency plans...).

gmueckl|7 months ago

I see that customs declaration in the context of the Outer Space Treaty from 1967. It stipulates that outer space cannot be appropriated by by any nation. My hypothesis here is that the political message underneath this customs form stunt is an acknowledgement that the crew has left the United States and returned. However, I have nothing that supports this claim.

CobrastanJorji|7 months ago

It's funny. You want to blame NASA for the ridiculous publicity stunts, but they were totally right that a loss of public interest was one of the biggest risks to the program. Neil Armstrong stood on the moon in 1969, but by 1971, Nixon had cancelled Apollo.

shayway|7 months ago

The source paper for both articles is paywalled, so maybe it has a better argument than the articles. But to call it theater or a publicity stunt is to imply it didn't have a point beyond public relations, which isn't the case.

Microbes can't be completely contained - easily, anyway - and we knew that perfectly well back then. But we also knew to minimize contact with potentially infected people. Put it this way: if there were lunar germs that the astronauts took back with them, would it have been better to skip the containment procedures, as inadequate as they may have been? Of course not.

NASA played up their ability to contain extraterrestrial microbes for sure. But the containment procedure itself was the best that could be done. If 'absolute isolation' is the bar to which containment is held, by that logic everything short of just not visiting other celestial bodies is theater.

xattt|7 months ago

I can imagine a bunch of short-sleeve wearing dudes, sitting around and shooting the shit to come up with absurd formalities for theatre. It would have been fun.

montjoy|7 months ago

This. Also, maybe setting legal precedent?

hammock|7 months ago

>These things were mainly publicity stunts. The supposed biohazard quarantine for returning Apollo astronauts was a theater performance, too.

Wow. What else about Apollo was theater performance?

whycome|7 months ago

What aspect of the review suggested that it was mostly for show?

skeezyboy|7 months ago

allowing the "to be determined" answer sat at odds with the implied dilligency of the customs agency

smnrchrds|7 months ago

Semi-related:

"Passports please! British paratroopers met by French customs after D-Day airdrop

British paratroopers recreating an airdrop behind German defences to mark the 80th anniversary of D-Day were met by French customs officials at a makeshift border checkpost.

Moments after the paratroopers had hit the ground and gathered up their chutes, they formed an orderly queue and handed over their passports for inspection by waiting French customs officials in a Normandy field."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/passports-please-britis...

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ZY4rlAQus

ceejayoz|7 months ago

Reminds me a bit of when the UK accidentally invaded Spain on a training exercise. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-invade-spa...

> Lord West said: "It wasn't one of the best days in my time. I had a phone call from the military commander saying, 'Sir, I'm afraid something awful's happened.' I thought, 'Goodness me, what?' And he said, 'I'm afraid we've invaded Spain, but we don't think they've noticed.'

> "They charged up the beach in the normal way, being Royal Marines—they're frightfully good soldiers of course, and jolly good at this sort of thing—and confronted a Spanish fisherman who sort of pointed out, 'I think you're on the wrong beach.'

peeters|7 months ago

> Passports please! British paratroopers met by French customs after D-Day airdrop

Err, D-Day anniversary airdrop. That headline has only one correct literal interpretation, and it's wrong (not ambiguous, wrong).

wat10000|7 months ago

Strange article. Of course you have to go through passport control when you cross an international border.

bitwize|7 months ago

These French customs officials seemed more on the ball than the one I encountered. (Checked my passport, but didn't stamp it, causing problems for me upon landing for my next leg in Helsinki.)

ortusdux|7 months ago

Makes me think of the Apollo insurance covers:

"The Apollo insurance covers are autographed postal covers signed by the astronaut crews prior to their mission. The primary motivation behind this action was the refusal of life insurance companies to provide coverage for the astronauts. Consequently, the astronauts devised a strategy involving the signing of hundreds of postal covers. These were to be left behind for their families, who could then sell them in the event of the astronauts' deaths.[1] The insurance covers began with Apollo 11 and ended with Apollo 16."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_insurance_covers

I-M-S|7 months ago

A country that sends men to the Moon but isn't able to guarantee the wellbeing of their families shouldn't be able to send men to the Moon.

magicalhippo|7 months ago

Reminded me of when I got to see one of the customs declaration for an off-shore oil platform built here in Norway.

It was a single-item declaration: one oil plaform.

However, the elecronic customs message format didn't have enough digits to fit the item value, over a billion NOK IIRC.

After some calls with customs, they had to send it with a fictitious item value and add the true value in a free-text field.

This worked fine since there were no duties or taxes on exporting oil platforms, so no cross-checks that would fail.

lucianbr|7 months ago

Couldn't they split it into "Oil platform part 1" "part 2" and so on? Or "Oil platform metal parts" and such. Kinda seems like one object being too large in some measure for a single message is a predictable edge case.

9dev|7 months ago

LOL. I’m on the receiving end of these customs declarations, and stories like this are the reason the copies are so notoriously hard to parse programmatically… lovely, thanks for sharing.

jleyank|7 months ago

I think at least one astronaut needed to file a request for tax deadline extension due to being “out of the country” at filing time. Didn’t have an entry in the system for “off the planet” I guess…

Bluestein|7 months ago

I mean, technically ...

aspir|7 months ago

The story in the editor's note is charming enough that it's worth calling out:

>Thanks to UC alumnus Luama Mays, JD ’66, for sharing a copy of the declaration with UC Magazine. Mays was a pilot who befriended Armstrong while the former astronaut was teaching at UC and Mays was running an aviation company. Initially Armstrong called him, without even identifying himself, asking for a ride on Mays old "bubble-style" helicopter left over from the Korean War. It was exactly what Armstrong had trained on in preparation for operating the lunar module.

yardie|7 months ago

I did a 1100m passage from Puerto Rico to Miami. Anchored in the Bahamas bank but didn't step on land. And when we arrived in the US we weren't required to clear in since our last port of departure was PR. Pretty sure they were tracking us by drone, blimp, AIS, and radar the entire way because they weren't suspicious enough compared to my previous experiences.

Curious why Apollo 11 would have to clear customs since the moon isn't a foreign country and they just did a there and back.

ethan_smith|7 months ago

Under the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, the moon is considered international territory ("province of all mankind"), so technically they were returning from outside US jurisdiction, triggering customs requirements.

tempodox|7 months ago

They could have smuggled moonshine.

csomar|7 months ago

> Pretty sure they were tracking us by drone, blimp, AIS, and radar the entire way because they weren't suspicious enough compared to my previous experiences.

Probably none of that. The border check is a bureaucratic operation. Modern day border checks are 0% contraband, 1% terrorism and 99% just messing with the public.

jedberg|7 months ago

Due to international treaty the moon is considered international land, like Antarctica.

ceejayoz|7 months ago

> Who would have guessed the regulations would have been enforced so rigorously in 1969 when three men returned to the U.S. from a rather long business trip – to the moon and back.

I mean, I'd imagine it was mostly done for the joke aspect.

edit: https://www.space.com/7044-moon-apollo-astronauts-customs.ht...

> "Yes, it's authentic," NASA spokesperson John Yembrick told Space.com. "It was a little joke at the time."

zhobbs|7 months ago

Yeah, I think we're over analyzing it in this thread. Seems pretty light hearted and fun.

potato3732842|7 months ago

It's easier to just have them fill out the form than get a common sense exception.

more_corn|7 months ago

No. This is one example of many. NASA astronauts have to fill out government business travel paperwork for travel to the ISS. The rules must be followed even if the rules don’t make sense.

hiccuphippo|7 months ago

There's a funny story about how any new territory falls under the jurisdiction of the dioceses from which the expedition departed, so the bishop of Orlando is the bishop of the moon.

Ylpertnodi|7 months ago

My god's bigger than your god.

the__alchemist|7 months ago

At least as of a few years ago, the Qataris required foreign aircrew (e.g. fighter pilots) operating out of bases in their country to do this after every mission! What a pain.

rob74|7 months ago

Yes, the form really does ask if a person is bringing in snails.

Even more curiously, it asks for animals in general, and then specifically for snails. I wonder what it is about snails specifically that US Customs are/were so interested in?

caseyohara|7 months ago

Biosecurity/agrosecurity. Some snails are highly invasive and destructive to crops so they are banned or tightly regulated by the USDA.

nullbyte|7 months ago

“Are you bringing with you: plants, food, animals, soil, disease agents, cell cultures or snails? Declare all articles that you have acquired and are bringing into the United States.”

It's interesting that they specifically mention snails

whycome|7 months ago

Plants, animals, fungi, archae….

naganotonicbuy|7 months ago

Sometimes I thought, even today's generation and technology are unable to land on the moon properly. And back to earth? wow. My school life was ruined.

MathMonkeyMan|7 months ago

> Any other condition on board which may lead to the spread of disease:

> TO BE DETERMINED

mathgradthrow|7 months ago

Of course they didn't. It's just funny.

DataDaemon|7 months ago

I wonder if they checked their social profiles?

ahmeneeroe-v2|7 months ago

Yes 100% these astronauts were extensively vetted to ensure compatibility with the ruling power of their day.

TZubiri|7 months ago

The US gets a lot of flak for still using forms instead of modernizing, but imagine the nightmare this would be with an inflexible system with dropdowns.

It seems so relaxing to just be able to write whatever you want or draw doodles on a form and expect the operator on the other side ot either grok it, coalesce it into whatever other system, or handle it in whatever way they see fit.

Never change America

woodpanel|7 months ago

Well, you can’t say this is a problem you’ll encounter with Trump

guesswho_|7 months ago

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whatever1|7 months ago

The equipment that is left on the moon and you can literally see by yourself with a good enough telescope is also an illusion plotted by the government

edm0nd|7 months ago

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