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nordsieck | 7 months ago

From what I've heard there's a countervailing effect for EVs, though - they end up generating more particulate pollution from tire wear because of greater vehicle weight and greater torque.

The number that I've seen bandied about is ~20% greater tire wear.

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tonymet|7 months ago

They address this briefly in the article (though inadequately) , that tire particles are heavier and doesn’t end up in the air like brake dust.

But you do raise a good point at the holistic condition, and assessing a broader population with less than ideal configuration.

They are looking at lightweight EVs at lower speeds. But Americans drive heavier EVs at highway speeds. The rotors & pads are huge.

pdabbadabba|7 months ago

> They are looking at lightweight EVs at lower speeds. But Americans drive heavier EVs at highway speeds. The rotors & pads are huge.

Perhaps other EV drivers can chime in but, if anything, I think I use my friction brakes less at highway speeds where, in general, you're not really supposed to do a lot of braking. I'd say, overall and regardless of speed, my friction brakes are really used only to bring the car to a complete stop or for emergency braking to avoid a potential accident.

D13Fd|7 months ago

That was my first thought. Fewer brake particles is great, but I’m guessing it won’t be enough to counter the increased tire wear.

janosch_123|7 months ago

Not sure about that. If you accelerate a 2t vehicle to 60mph and then decelerate it back to 0mph then they would stress the tyres in the same way, no matter if you do EV & regen, EV no-regen or ICE, right? (I am keeping the weight constant).

Prompted by your comment I had a look at vehicle weights and two facts stood out

- ALL new cars are getting heavier EVERY YEAR because we keep adding more stuff (average car weight, and average SUV weight trend upwards from 2016 to 2023)

- The average electric car is heavier than a petrol equivalent but is lighter than an SUV

Weight certainly a problem, but the focus on EVs for weight is generally blown out of proportion.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-13588773/Ne... https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/weighty-issue-of-e...